i was in my local shop and there she sat. i didn't really feel very comfortable at all...i know it's "made to race" but i'll be damned if i'm gonna pay $8000 for something that hurts my *** just sitting on the showroom floor. i'm just fine with my z400....depending on rider skills, i'll take anything i race with my z, including the 450... if they know how to ride the results may very quite a bit...i'm not cocky i know that thing will kick my *** if the guy can ride it...but if he misses gears and slows in corners i'll take him