RM 125 or Z 400
Oct 7, 2005 | 08:33 AM
#11
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RM 125 or Z 400
Originally posted by: CBF2
Who do you ride with? Get a bike if they have bikes, a quad if they have quads. I have tried riding quads/bikes together and it is no fun. What is hard for quads is easy for bikes, what is easy for quads is hard for bikes in my experience.
Who do you ride with? Get a bike if they have bikes, a quad if they have quads. I have tried riding quads/bikes together and it is no fun. What is hard for quads is easy for bikes, what is easy for quads is hard for bikes in my experience.
Oct 7, 2005 | 09:12 AM
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RM 125 or Z 400
OK, Being that your 13 I will give you the best advice I can. First off go out to your local riding area's and watch both in action. This will give you some idea of the type of riding you might like to do. No one can tell you what's best for you. Second in either case that you choose you must keep in mind that YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DUCKITS TO RIDE THE BUCKET'S--------OF BOLTS. It's addicting and expensive. Your never satified either want to add more power. A diffrent look. Or upgrade to bigger and better and start all over again. Good luck on your dission it's A great sport or pass time. But is very expencive. P.S. it sure beat's the heak out of drug's and alcohol..
Oct 7, 2005 | 02:20 PM
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RM 125 or Z 400
Having ridden quads and bikes all my life I'll have to agree with everyone else. My preference: I like bikes on road and quads off. Being that you're 13 on road isn't an option just yet. Dirt bikes are A LOT of work to ride and really take some time to get used to whereas I find quads to have a more gentle learning curve. Now if you're set on a bike then I reccomend a 4 stroke. 2 strokes are very picky---you have to keep them revved or else you foul a plug and then no more riding unitl you can put another in. Then there's the issue of mixing oil (proper ratios mind you) with your gas. Lastly, and most importantly 2 strokes get their power much differently---it's non existant until you hit ther powerband and then BOOM! it's ***** to the wall. Unless you're riding somewhere pretty wide open I'd stick with 4 strokes.
Ok, you're 13---honestly, a z400 would kill you---get something to learn on before you come out guns blazing. A good used 300ex would be plenty of power, or if you want to go the 2 wheel route stick around the 200cc level---
If you've got some more questions here are some of the bikes I've had:
Road:
01 GSXR 750
98 YZF 600
99 Savage 650
Yamaha 250
Dirt:
93 CR250
96 XR200
Quad:
03 z400
01 Blaster
8? YFM 200
8? Honda 70
Ok, you're 13---honestly, a z400 would kill you---get something to learn on before you come out guns blazing. A good used 300ex would be plenty of power, or if you want to go the 2 wheel route stick around the 200cc level---
If you've got some more questions here are some of the bikes I've had:
Road:
01 GSXR 750
98 YZF 600
99 Savage 650
Yamaha 250
Dirt:
93 CR250
96 XR200
Quad:
03 z400
01 Blaster
8? YFM 200
8? Honda 70
Oct 7, 2005 | 02:51 PM
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RM 125 or Z 400
Originally posted by: SuZuKiRiDeR32
two strokes arent bad by any means but four strokes are just less work.....
two strokes arent bad by any means but four strokes are just less work.....
Between a 125 or 250f, the 250f has more overall power and is easier to ride, but I think a 125 2-stroke will make you a better rider in the long run. IMO everybody should have a 125 while they are young. Plus a 125 is a lot cheaper to maintain, if your a newbie, a 250f is no fun to keep running.
Between a dirtbike and quad, that is all up to you. Best advice on here so far is it depends on what you will be riding with, quads or dirtbikes? It isn't fun riding a bike with a bunch of quads or vise-versa.
Oct 7, 2005 | 03:06 PM
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A 250F four stroke more maintenance than a 125 two stroke? Ha! That will be the day. A tiddler is always in need of a new top end and a bottom end now again to boot. In two strokes the smaller the bike the shorter the life: 80s live as long as gnats, 125s are very high maintenance, 250s are ok, just a top end now and again and the bottom end lasts pretty long. A 500 is damn near approaching four stroke engine life.
The 250 just needs is valves checked and depending on model maybe the cam chain checked. You think that is harder than an engine rebuild? They are all hard on clutches if you race.
I can't believe the things passed off on message boards that are flat out wrong..
The 250 just needs is valves checked and depending on model maybe the cam chain checked. You think that is harder than an engine rebuild? They are all hard on clutches if you race.
I can't believe the things passed off on message boards that are flat out wrong..
Oct 7, 2005 | 03:17 PM
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RM 125 or Z 400
CBF2 is right on----I've owned both and know many others who have as well----2 strokes are CONSTANT maintenance. Fact is if you take care of a 4 it will last you. 2 strokes are aggrivating---tell me a 13 yr old with obviously no riding experience belongs on a RM125 on a single track...
For all around riding 4 strokes are more practical. Period.
For all around riding 4 strokes are more practical. Period.
Oct 7, 2005 | 04:11 PM
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RM 125 or Z 400
Originally posted by: CBF2
A 250F four stroke more maintenance than a 125 two stroke? Ha! That will be the day. A tiddler is always in need of a new top end and a bottom end now again to boot. In two strokes the smaller the bike the shorter the life: 80s live as long as gnats, 125s are very high maintenance, 250s are ok, just a top end now and again and the bottom end lasts pretty long. A 500 is damn near approaching four stroke engine life.
The 250 just needs is valves checked and depending on model maybe the cam chain checked. You think that is harder than an engine rebuild? They are all hard on clutches if you race.
I can't believe the things passed off on message boards that are flat out wrong..
A 250F four stroke more maintenance than a 125 two stroke? Ha! That will be the day. A tiddler is always in need of a new top end and a bottom end now again to boot. In two strokes the smaller the bike the shorter the life: 80s live as long as gnats, 125s are very high maintenance, 250s are ok, just a top end now and again and the bottom end lasts pretty long. A 500 is damn near approaching four stroke engine life.
The 250 just needs is valves checked and depending on model maybe the cam chain checked. You think that is harder than an engine rebuild? They are all hard on clutches if you race.
I can't believe the things passed off on message boards that are flat out wrong..
A 250f goes thru pistons, vavles, and sometimes valve seats which means a new 400 dollar head if your not always on top of them. The yamaha 250 isn't to terrible, but the Honda and Zuki/Kawi are dropping valves left and right. Plus the rings are paper thin and the pistons have no skirt to them hardly. Not to mention how small the valves are. And your trying to tell me these things are reliable? Please![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/img] Not to mention the clutches you will go thru if you actually run the thing hard!
And all of those parts are a lot more expensive than a pinger's part to rebuild.
Now for pingers. A 250 2-stroke is a pretty dam good machine as far as reliability goes and performance. My buddies KX250 went two years with a lot of trail riding on it and it really didn't have to have a rebuild then , but it was getting lazy on top. My CR250 has a years worth of racing and trail riding on the top-end and it still has no signs of blow-by. Im going to go ahead and rebuild it this winter, so that's a wopping 100 bucks, oh dam. Rebuild the top end on a 250f and see how much it cost, don't forget to buy that 80 dollar shim kit, and your going to need those feeler gauges to boot!
125's do require a bit more top ends than 250's, but nothin crazy like you think unless you are a "A" class racer that runs the p!ss out of it. Not to mention cheap and easy to rebuild. 80's, same thing, throw a set of rings in it in a half an hour and go. If trail ridden it will last a long while anyways. Only talented little kids go thru a few sets of rings in a season.
Bottom ends going out? Havn't had to many problems with that either. The only time you have to worry about that is if you are a serious racer raping on it, or you just have a part failure. And both of these applies for a 250f as well.
So come on man, please get some more experience with thesse bikes before you start telling me my post is false. I believe that last line in your post give you the title "hypocrite".[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
These ain't your daddy's XR's. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]
Oct 7, 2005 | 04:18 PM
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CBF2 is right on----I've owned both and know many others who have as well----2 strokes are CONSTANT maintenance. Fact is if you take care of a 4 it will last you. 2 strokes are aggrivating---tell me a 13 yr old with obviously no riding experience belongs on a RM125 on a single track...
For all around riding 4 strokes are more practical. Period.
For all around riding 4 strokes are more practical. Period.
There only aggrivating if you don't know how to ride them. Other people out in the woods and on the track don't complain about em. The biggest downfall is if your racing a 125, they don't have a wide powerspread like a 250f. But I still believe a 125 serves as a good learing tool. I know I want my kid to be riding one, riding a 125 will make you faster on a 250f. Go try and tell any racer different and get laughed at.
BTW, just so you guys know Im not hating on thumpers, Im going to be buying a 250f in the next year![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img] As long as finances are straight that is, got to have money to keep that thing up.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Oct 7, 2005 | 04:29 PM
#20
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What irritates me is!
Those 6-packs work pretty good.
What irritates me is!
Those 6-packs work pretty good.
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RM 125 or Z 400
Most 4-strokes don't turn 13K rpms like the 250f. Really I find it's 6 or half dozen the other. Top end here and oil changes and valve adjustments there.
Just ride.
Just ride.