Quadrookie let me help you in the math and brains department.

RedandBlackwarrior is right about the resale values, That is the key to the PSD. They tipicaly bring 4500.00 to 6000.00 dollars more on trade or resale than the V10. The 6.0 motor list for $4,735.00 Invoice on the 6.0 diesel is $4025.00.

I paid $4025.00 for the motor and get back aroud $5000.00 after I put 50 or 60 thousand miles on it. I just saved about a thousand dollars on the total cost of ownership of the truck vs the V10, You can do a search on AUto trader. com and pick out the gas & diesel trucks just by looking at the prices,if you don't believe it.

Now in my part of the country I pay about 10 to 20 cents less per gallon for diesel than gas. So over a 50,000 mile period of ownership I use about 3300 galons of fuel. an average difference of 15 cents multiplied by 3300 gallons is 495.00 (based on 15 mpg average over 50,000 miles)

Now based on what I have herd from friends and Guys on the Ford truck Forums The V10 Trucks get on average 10 or 11 mpg. if you use the same 50,000 mile mark @ 11 mpg it will aproximately 4500 galons to get to 50,000 miles, thats 1200 more galons of gas than the diesel every 50,000 miles @ $1.50 per gallon and that is a low estimate. That will work out to an additional $1800.00 in fuel cost every 50,000 miles.

So to sum it up,it works out in an ownership period of 50,000 miles, you would save about $3000.00 to $3,500.00 dollars owning the diesel over the V10. The added performance of the diesels is just a nice perk, not the only benifit.

 

I would go with the diesel. I have a 2002 F-350 crew cab 4x4 diesel and love it. 8 foot bed so I just drive the ole griz in and away we go. Milage? To me getting from 19 MPG in the city to over, if I keep my foot off the throttle, 24 MPG on the highway and when towing a small trailer still getting about 20 MPG on the highway is awsome. Now the way diesel prices have been going, ouch. In the last 2 weeks here in San Diego I have seen the price at one station go up an amazing 50 cents per gallon. It is now $2.50 a gallon, 12 cents more than 91 oct gas. But, considering how my firends who have the V-10 are getting about 10 MPG I will stick with diesel.

 

Do you really know what you are talking about?
Diesels excell in EVERY catagory.
And 20 mpg is VERY common wiht diesel.

 

I would say the power of a diesel is much like big block power compaired to a small block. Only it doesnt drink like a big block. 2 brand new ford diesels at work, one 450, 4x4, dually, flatbed, with manual trans, and the other is a 350 4x4, auto trans, reg cab, reg box. I always loved the Dodge V10s which we have 4 of those as well at work and I deffinatly like driving the Fords better. Much more power and traction with heavy loads. The only truck that I like better at work is the dodge 350 4x4, dually, flatbed with a manual trans. The company I work for is a chemical company and spraying company. We haul 800 gallons of chemicals on the flatbeds and then also use them to deliver anhydrous amoinia tanks to farmers. Anyways those tanks full each weigh 7,000- 8,000 lbs full and we pull 2 at a time. 16,000 lbs is about the heaviest weight your ever going to see anyone pulling on a regular basis with small trucks. Most loaded livestock trailors will weigh less than that. I cant say anything about the ford V10 because i have not driven or pulled with it, but against the Dodge V10 I go and get in the diesels everytime. Even when Im driving around town I prefer them more. And this is coming from someone who used to hate diesels with a passion. I used to be an auto mechanic and hated diesels, just due to always covered in crap when you get done working on them. But now that I have used diesels on a reg basis to haul heavy loads Im thinking my next truck just might be a diesel. One thing I dislike about the ford is the low power under 1700 RMS, but once past that has tons of power. Also the tow haul on the automatic is a night and day difference in pulling power. I still like the power of the cummings diesel much much more than the ford. It has power in every gear you put it in. The ford just seams to be geared to high for my liking. Also hate the shift pattern on the ford 450, gears are so close together. If you drove it all the time you would get used to it, but The automatic with the tow haul pulls great. One thing if your not partial to a ford, I know multiple people that get over 25 mpg empty and 15+loaded with there dodge deisels with manual transmissions in them.

 

Yes I know what I'm talking about. Of all the customers we have at our dealership, I have researched, and empty, the 7.3 powerstroke is getting at best, 17-18 mpg. with a load most all are claiming 12-16. These are all automatics by the way. with k&n, and a chip, milage could improve to the 20-25 mpg range, but stock is very rare.--Anyway, I think I let myself get caught up a little in this loyalty debate, when actually, if we get back to the actual question here. All I was trying to say is that if the guy is towing a big 5TH wheel, or a huge boat, or a heavy construction trailer, something like that, on a daily or even a weekly basis, then a Diesel would be what he should check into. BUT...if the guy is driving this across town everyb day to work, through traffic,(which is not the best thing for a diesel) and then maybe once or twice a month loading the toy hauler up and driving 40-50- miles to camp and ride for the weekend, there is absolutely NO WAY to justify the added maintenance, and price of the diesel. Sure the diesel will last longer in most cases, but how many people actually keep a truck, or any vehicle for that matter, for more than 3-4 years anymore? Not many. So, the question of "Which is better and why?", Is not as close-ended question as personal preference....rather a situation-specific question that has many answers depending on individual needs of the buyer.

Also....RLDBOBCAT makes an excellent point when stating that he perfers the Dodge diesel power to the Fords...the numbers you see on the tv commercials and in the dealerships ads about H.P. and torque and all that, are really not an accurate way to judge which truck is "better" or "more powerful". They in all actuality are very similar in every category, and in most cases the average person wont even be able to tell the difference in power unless towing with then on a constant basis, then switching. And if you want to get technical, the V-10 with 4.30 gears, actually has a HIGHER towing capacity than the 6.0L in every model. It will only get 6 MPG, but hey, its only money!

So. I will end on this. For the average, non-mechanically inclined, 1 or 2 weekend a month warrior, who will rely on the dealership for all maintenance and repairs, the V-10 is a better choice In My Opinion. For the "mans man", the contractors, the 32' Baja Outlaw haulin, 35' 5th wheel pullin, day-in, day-out, flat out pullin a load kinda guys, the diesel is the more practical choice.

Just for another added measure, a guy at work pulls a horse trailer (he estimates it when loaded w/ horses and gear to be about 10,000 pounds) with his 99' crew cab long box 4x4 f-250 w/ a V-10, and 3.73 gears and an automatic. He says he has absolutely no complaints whatsoever, other than maybe the 8-10 mpg when pulling.

 

The truck I need would be pulling a 24-26 ft toybox about every 3 weeks on average. It's my third vehicle and might drive it at times to take the kids to sports. When going to the deset it's a 1 1/2 - 2 hour drive with a couple of hills and grades but only one has any size to it.

 

Enuff said. Get the V-10. You will not be dissappointed. Oh yeah, and get the 3.73 gears.

 

When buying a new SD you have the option of geting an all service incusive extended warranty from Ford. I paid 850.00 to extend my waranty to 4 years and 50,000 miles, this particular ford warranty covers all the oil changes and air filters, fuel filters, ect., everthing even a rental truck when needed. All I have to pay for during the 1st 50,000 miles is the fuel. The same warranty as I recal was about 650.00 for a gas. So the difference in maintinace cost is caped at 200.00 in the diesel vs gas. As I proved in an earlyer post you will save at least 3000.00 in a 50,000 mile ownership.

So quadrookie, how is it cheaper for anyone to buy a v10 other than initial cost. Do you not understand the basic cost of ownership equation. There is a lot more to total cost of ownership than the initial buy in price. Am I missing something here. I manage a fleet of 50 plus trucks for my company everthing from 1/2 tons up to 2 tons, and total cost of ownership is something that I look at very carefully on every truck I purchase. I use initial cost , resale value, maitenace cost , fuel cost (mpg)(price of a particular type of fuel). I try and factor in everthing I can think of and in this particular case of Ford SD's I save an average of 3500.00 using PSD's over V10's in an average 2 year 50,000 mile ownership period.

 

That is fine in a situation such as yours. But What I am trying to show is that the average person buys a truck and all they see is what things are costing them per each time they are getting the service done. The average person sees the diesel at 39K and the V-10 at 34K. The average person sees a bill for an oil change for 70 bucks or whatever on a diesel, and 22.95 for a V-10. That same average person when driving a given distance, is not going to notice that with a diesel, it took only 43 bucks to fill the tank, but with the V-10 it took 48.75 to fill it. MOST people dont care about total cost of ownership, let alone know how to begin to even figure it out. They only care about money spent out of pocket at each occurance. I agree that in the long run, depending on usage, of course, that the diesel is the "smarter" choice especially for resale value. But I still maintain that for the average guy as this guy semms to be, the V-10 is a "better" fit. Not trying to argue, or start a war, you seem to know alot about what you are talking about, and I have never even owned a diesel. As I said, I work for a Ford dealershiop in parts, and I see all the pros and cons of eadch. I can only go by my experience dealing with both motors and the owners of the trucks as well as the techs who work on them. I think we are giving some people a very good edumacation on the topic tho![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

I still dont think you are seeing the big picture here though..
Like everyone else has said it it much cheaper in the long run. Thats money in our pockets.
And when we sell the truck we get back even more. Hell, with the money that you save with a diesel you could have bought 2 quads. It doesent matter whether or not you tow a trailer. Id rather get 20mpg with the diesel than 10-12 mpg with the V-10.

And besides, driving a V-10 is like being a little boy playing with dolls.