Honda Rincon vs. Kawa P-700
Mar 23, 2004 | 06:17 PM
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Honda Rincon vs. Kawa P-700
Originally posted by: 2004YFZ450
When you have a YFZ 450 you don't worry![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
When you have a YFZ 450 you don't worry![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Mar 23, 2004 | 08:51 PM
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Honda Rincon vs. Kawa P-700
ATVtech1,
I went to my dealer today and told them like you told me that they couldn't diagnose those Rincon things. They answered back that for every transmission they had to change on the guarantee, Honda sent one of their man to confirm the necessity of theses transmission changes (since it is very expensive part to replace) and Honda the company is the one that had them change the transmission. So, your right Honda don't know how to diagnose their problems and change transmissions for nothing on their ATVs, Bravo, so a great future is being annonce for this company according to your remark. Who told you I owned a P700? And don't know why it looks so bad to say that the Rincon's transmission can't be fixed or maintained because if there is a problem, they change the transmission. I rather be able to maintain my transmission for it to last longer than simply change it, I found it less expensive, to you get the picture now! You also mentioned Honda won one race two years ago with a prototype Rincon using parts that will never be available on the market (But, I admit that it would of been more than interesting if they did). So, your right it wouldn't make the Rincon a better quad than the P700 even knowing the Rincon that won that Baja isn't the actual Rincon that we now can buy and modify for race and knowing it is not only one race the P700 won but every Utility Championship stock and unlimited since it was release as a Prairie650 in spring 2001. Meaning, the Prairie has proven its reliability in more than one victory but one many successive wins leading to the trustworthy victory of their Championships.
I went to my dealer today and told them like you told me that they couldn't diagnose those Rincon things. They answered back that for every transmission they had to change on the guarantee, Honda sent one of their man to confirm the necessity of theses transmission changes (since it is very expensive part to replace) and Honda the company is the one that had them change the transmission. So, your right Honda don't know how to diagnose their problems and change transmissions for nothing on their ATVs, Bravo, so a great future is being annonce for this company according to your remark. Who told you I owned a P700? And don't know why it looks so bad to say that the Rincon's transmission can't be fixed or maintained because if there is a problem, they change the transmission. I rather be able to maintain my transmission for it to last longer than simply change it, I found it less expensive, to you get the picture now! You also mentioned Honda won one race two years ago with a prototype Rincon using parts that will never be available on the market (But, I admit that it would of been more than interesting if they did). So, your right it wouldn't make the Rincon a better quad than the P700 even knowing the Rincon that won that Baja isn't the actual Rincon that we now can buy and modify for race and knowing it is not only one race the P700 won but every Utility Championship stock and unlimited since it was release as a Prairie650 in spring 2001. Meaning, the Prairie has proven its reliability in more than one victory but one many successive wins leading to the trustworthy victory of their Championships.
Mar 23, 2004 | 11:37 PM
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Honda Rincon vs. Kawa P-700
LittleBoy, my mistake, I thought you owned a P700 but I see you own a P650. Regarding your dealership not being able to diagnose faulty transmissions, I simply said that "maybe" they had trouble diagnosing tranny problems. Your explanation clears that up nicely. The way I worded it didn't sound right on my part. Please understand that I have seen many Honda dealerships replace Hondamatic (Rubicon) units only to find out that the problem was not the unit at all. Again, I accept your explanation, my bad.
I still don't understand your argument about the Rincon transmission not being serviceable. Are you saying that nothing about the transmission can be replaced? So that if I have a transmission that refuses to shift out of first gear, I have to replace the whole thing? Maybe you're talking about the torque converter, which is a very expensive part, but only one of the many parts that make up the Rincon transmission. You are mistaken about the entire Rincon transmission having to be replaced if it fails.
The Rincon that won the Baja 1000 was not stock, true. But it also was not a competely modified machine that had nothing in common with the stock Rincon. The winning Rincon actually didn't have that much done to it, although I realize it was not stock. Also keep in mind that the Rincon raced (and won) not against other utility machines, but against sport quads. Believe me, none of these sport quads were stock either. I think that's pretty impressive. It is also impressive that the Prairie is winning all those utility championships, it really is a great ATV.
I think both the Rincon and Praire are world class ATV's and I'm not about to proclaim the Rincon as the best ATV; nor will I proclaim the Prairie the king of ATV's. I think they both excel in different areas and anyone who owns either of these quads should consider themselves lucky. It's great having so many ATV's to choose from.
I still don't understand your argument about the Rincon transmission not being serviceable. Are you saying that nothing about the transmission can be replaced? So that if I have a transmission that refuses to shift out of first gear, I have to replace the whole thing? Maybe you're talking about the torque converter, which is a very expensive part, but only one of the many parts that make up the Rincon transmission. You are mistaken about the entire Rincon transmission having to be replaced if it fails.
The Rincon that won the Baja 1000 was not stock, true. But it also was not a competely modified machine that had nothing in common with the stock Rincon. The winning Rincon actually didn't have that much done to it, although I realize it was not stock. Also keep in mind that the Rincon raced (and won) not against other utility machines, but against sport quads. Believe me, none of these sport quads were stock either. I think that's pretty impressive. It is also impressive that the Prairie is winning all those utility championships, it really is a great ATV.
I think both the Rincon and Praire are world class ATV's and I'm not about to proclaim the Rincon as the best ATV; nor will I proclaim the Prairie the king of ATV's. I think they both excel in different areas and anyone who owns either of these quads should consider themselves lucky. It's great having so many ATV's to choose from.
Mar 24, 2004 | 12:00 PM
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When I bought my rincon for $7100.00, their was a P700 sitting next to it for $7200.00, so lets say the price was the same. I bought the rincon for the irs, better ride and the reliability of a honda. Never compared it with a p700 while rideing but I ride side by side with a P650 all the time. It's true that the rincon really wakes up after 200-300 miles and after installing a dyno jet kit, it's like a different machine. It also handles like a dream on the trails. You can stear it with your a$$. The prarie had an engine oil seal leak when new and one belt replaced, which was the owners fault. I can only assume that the P700 if anything is going to be as quick or quicker than the P650. We traded machines for a couple hours and the quality of the ride on the prarie is a lot harsher. This is the same opinion that the owner of the P650 has. If your looking for speed and better mudding ability, go with the P700. If you want a more comfortable ride and honda's reputation for reliability, go with the Rincon. So far , reliability with the prarie doesn't seem to be an issue, with the exception of the two problems I mentioned earlier, and the owner abuses the hell out it. Since some members decided to throw the grizz into the pot, I ride with one of them too, on ocassion. Wouldn't own one!!
Apr 2, 2004 | 10:30 PM
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Honda Rincon vs. Kawa P-700
Originally posted by: TellicoGrizz660
The "ONLY" thing I hear about the Prairie is how "FAST" it is! Afterall, a polaris will out pull, outmud and out work the prairie ANYDAY, the Grizzly will out climg, outmud the prairie!! SIMPLE as that! What other attributes does the prairie have besides a diff-lock that the others don't?? The v-twin and how fast it is!!! THAT IS ALL!!! Behind in times????????? ONE QUESTION, WHY IS ALL THE HYPE ABOUT KAWASAKI BUILDING A 750 "IRS" MACHINE???? I would say Kawi is behind in times, Yamaha has ALWAYS had better quads than KAWI, Yamaha has a performance machine that is a 450cc single that completely destroys the vtwin 700cc motor you have so come to love in the vforce!!!! A 450cc SINGLE versus a 700CC V-TWIN!!! Which should truly win that???? Behind in times you say?????????? RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Until the day Kawi builds a quad TODAY that can outrace and outrun the yamaha sport quads and a quad that will outclimb, outmud and ride smoother than the Yamaha's I would say that KAWI is behind in the times, its what 2004??? IN 1998 Yamaha had a 4 stroke MX bike! 2001 Yamaha had a 250F fourstroke, KAWI JUST came out with their 250 fourstroke MX bike this year and they DON"T EVEN HAVE a 450 4 stroke bike!!! YOU TELL ME who is behind in times, HOW LONG did Kawi only sell their mojave while Yamaha sported 4 sport quads??? WHO is behind in times????? HMMMMM The ONLY thing kawi did first was the v-twin and in the v-force compared to the YFZ 450 it fell short of its purpose!!!!!!!
Originally posted by: roscoe69
yeah the grizz may be ok if you have to settle for third world bikes, but the year is 2004 and i don't think so. if i have to ride something that is behind the times and pretend that it is the greatest, i wont ride at all. the grizz is still the pretender to the throne , stop smoking that $hit. set down and think about it, we have heard from grizz owners starting three months before they came off the line. nothing changed , we don't hear from them any more. you are the only one that has not figured it out.
yeah the grizz may be ok if you have to settle for third world bikes, but the year is 2004 and i don't think so. if i have to ride something that is behind the times and pretend that it is the greatest, i wont ride at all. the grizz is still the pretender to the throne , stop smoking that $hit. set down and think about it, we have heard from grizz owners starting three months before they came off the line. nothing changed , we don't hear from them any more. you are the only one that has not figured it out.
Apr 3, 2004 | 04:02 PM
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Honda Rincon vs. Kawa P-700
[i]Originally posted by: 700vtwinmanDude......all you ever do is bash other quads, mostly prairies. Why don't you go to the yamaha site to do that. Most of the people here want good true advice and not here from IDIOTS like ???????? Stop bashing and go to another planet.
