You boys with your Nuclear Physics degree's are killin me.. WTF are ya'll smokin with your lightweight?

A) durability is going to require weight...
B) whats a YFZ weigh? oh yeah about three fitty... Now go and take one of your got dam UTES apart and throw the drivelines Axles, differential Pluss the beefed section of the frame to withstand the differnt forces jackin on the bike and tell me what that weighs.. About 150 at least. so your NOT going to see less than 500 in a wet dream. let alone reality..
C) Motor Weight also plays a big factor.. You could put the smaller 500 twin like yamaha.. but that things gonna be a ticking time bomb and while the high output would be cool./ Id wager if you spending 10 grand on a quad you wanna be able to ride for more than a few hundred miles before an overhaul. So your motor needs to weight a lil more for the longevity and reliability factor.

Stop Hittin the crack pipe and think about sompin before you spout off garbage.

 

not really. it would require better engineering. not heaviness.

so lets remember this: heaviness = durabilty.... were gong to come back to this...

stay with me here, you know, since we are nuclear physicists and stuff here and i dont want to lose you: i fighter jet has alot of thrust and has to have some incredible tolerances and durability to sustain itself, maneuver, dodge stuff, etc - way more so than a lardass machine with a fat @ss on it going up a little hill or through some mud. we are talking G forces. so if the philosophy is heaviness= durablty, then why are these things made as light as possible with much titanium (which is like 5x stronger than steel) ? i m mean you said durability requires weight, right? they should be made of iron according to your analysis...

another example is - a Jeep. what will kill the average pickup 4x4 bad @ss truck through the mud up a hill, rocks, etc a jeep. been like that ever since i can remember. seen many jeeps pulling a hotshot truck out of a hole many times. jeeps are durable...but they are not as heavy as a truck. seems to defy the heaviness = durability conclusion.

 

Well if you want titanium its gonna be 20 grand instead of 10. Hey i guess if you want it your gonna pay for it.. Get on the engineering and open up your pocket book.

It all costs money.... How much do you wanna spend.. Cuz your fantasy's are gonna outrun the markets pocketbook in a big hurry.

 

Well if you want titanium its gonna be 20 grand instead of 10. Hey i guess if you want it your gonna pay for it.. Get on the engineering and open up your pocket book.
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Why not carbon fiber as well? Stronger then steel at a fraction of the weight.....

Imagine how safe a titanium/carbon fiber 300 LB, 650cc utility quad would be.

Simply not cost effective.

Seems the one's complaining the most about the weight of these quads are the ones who don't even ride them.

 

I love the Idea, I would love to ride one to see what it really can do before I bought though.

 

You can come over and ride mine in about 7 months [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

i didnt exactly say build it out of titanium....but some innovation would be nice to see other than a ute without racks.

point is i think they could make one in the 450lb range, utilizing aluminum everywhere posssible and no racks b/c the intent of a bike of this nature is not really to be a pure utility bike but a HP LIGHT 4x4 sport machine for the non tank loving crowd that values power to weight ratio and handling over bragging rights on who has the heaviest bike or biggest engine.

my truck has an aluminum driveshaft to save weight, the YFZ has aluminum upper a-arms, swingarm, etc. it can be done, guys and it wont have to cost 10K or 20K either.

the first step to reality is a "dream," as you call it. it can and it will happen. and it is going to sell well - it is going to be lighter, quicker, better handling than any 800cc tank out there.

btw, honda has been testing a bike of this nature. so i guess there is some reality behind this "dream, " afterall. everyone watches what honda does whether they admit to or not. Every OEM constantly compares themselves to honda this, honda that....

 

the renegade has Aluminum upper arms. and how is it not inovative? the SST frame is differnt than everybody elses chit along with the trailing arm rear. they set it up in a more performance oriented package than utility. If you don't like it don't buy it. But its lightyears ahead of anything else offered in its realm.

Also honda is testing this just like they been testing the TRX650 for the last 10 years. will honda step up? Not likely..

 

Say you make wigets.. and your thinkin of makin a waget.. Its real similar to the widget. But the ultimate goal of the waget is to be better. but first you need to test the market for the 2waget cuz you have a good market for the wiget already. So in developing the waget you use as much incomon parts with the widget so you don't have the full on tooling expense for the new model.. After you find that the waget is a hit you can come out with a completly new one using its own unique setup. But Its best to get your feet wet before Diving in headfirst. smart business move on Can-am's part.

 

Ahh so this is what you have been talking about on the PSAR side [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] Say the word man I will be there!