Its now legal in Minnesota to ride a passenger also, starting this year. I read the 2006 ATV regulations

 

Nearly everyone you meet around hear has 2 people on the quad Kimpex "non passanger" seats are very common. I have a passanger lots of times with me I got about 4300KM on the bike now and I'd guess half was with a passanger. I like to pack a lunch and go for a ride on the old railbed with my gf on the back we went 300km one day, 200km another and numerous 50-100km trips last year. If your not ridding like an A$$ than its safe obviously you wouldn't go up as steep of inclines or over big rocks like you would riding solo. I rode double on the 200m for 20 years before I got my own quad without incident. I think it depends on the mentality of the driver some guys are just stupid.

 

i am serious! and yes i break the law everyyday i go faster than 55 mph i ride three up on my bikes and i ride without a helmit but what i am saying is i better not here anyone BLAME the atv or the kimpex seat or the manufactures or anything of the sort! dont need to get your panties in a scruntch i never said i was perfect! but stupid people get rich everyday by suing big business's for there own carelessness. lets all just be safe!!!!


ps. artic cat says nothing aboght non stock tires! so dont go there.

 

Don't get me wrong, as a Libertarian, I'm fine with people doing whatever they wish and doing so with the full realization of the risks involved. However in our Nanny State that is just slopping over with slimy trial lawyers you can bet your backside that the people who are running out an buying those seats and driving around with their wives and kids on the back and end up flipping it and severing wifey's spinal cord up at the C-2 Level are going to be the first ones running to Larry H. Lawyer and dragging Kimpex and the ATV industry into court. You can also bet that once the first multimillion dollar judgment comes down involving one of these things the other lawyers are going to smell blood in the water.

Inevitably you will see these same people who were probably once also once praising those same seats(not talking about anyone here so don't get all worked up) now showing up on programs like 20/20 and Dateline NBC and 60 Minutes tearfully recounting how Kimpex or Cabelas marketed those unsafe seats and how those evil ATV manufacturers made such powerful and unsafe vehicles! There will be elaboratly staged tests showing how easlily ATVs roll over complete with actual ATVs, lifesize crash test dummies, guys in white lab coats and white hardhats, CGI graphics and breathless gasps at the results. There will be tearful pictures and videos of the dead loved one in happier times and shots of the mangled deathtrap ATV. The chocked up survivors. The courageous lawyer attempting to get justice from the evil purveyors of dangerous products. They'll stage skillfully edited interviews with the ATV manufacturers and seatbox makers that cast them as capitalist villains out only to make a buck “when they KNEW their products were unsafe”(god, how they LOVE that phrase! The money sentence). Then comes the obligatory interviews with the Consumer Product Safety Commission, various private nanny groups, tree huggers, and the ubiquitous politician who has worked tirelessly for years to solve the problem with no success stopped by the Evil Big Business. Of course it all wraps up with the emotional crescendo with lots of weeping and the call for government regulation. Oh yeah. I know how they work those stories. It's as easy as ABC. Or CBS or NBC as the case may be. And what follows comes as naturally as dawn follows the night. That's right boys and girls. Say it with me now: Government Regulation.

If we're really lucky the industry can bribe enough politicians and nothing happens. If not, it results in yet more regulations and everyone ends up back here b*tching and whining about more government oversight on what we do on our ATVs. So yeah, I'm fine with letting people suffer the consequences of their own actions. I'm freaking ecstatic with doing it! Unfortunately, when it's done in this case you just watch the results. It's the way the game gets played in our sissy-fied feminized Nanny State.

*sigh* America must have a heck of place back when it was free.

 

wow. i'm surprised you ride an atv at all. it must be kind of scary in your world.

there have been years for that little chain of events to unfold, and i'm not seeing it happen. maybe, just maybe, the "not intended for passenger use" covers the manufacturer, and people can buy them and use them every day at their own risk without incident. like about half of everyone on the trails around here.

i have not even read of an injury from riding double, but i'm sure it happens, just as it happens from going too fast, or drinking and riding. like v2 says, the govt. is relaxing on this one. (say it with me. less governtment regulation). there are quite a few places it is legal. if you go to any area with heavy atv traffic like Utah, you will see it is probably legal (like in Utah or Minnesota) or not enforced. that is because so many people are successfully doing this without incident. it does require caution and the passenger will have to hop off and walk the difficult sections, but it can be done without injury.

monty

 

Since I'm apparently a bad parent and husband for riding my kids and wife (not at the same time) on level, non-challenging trails and exposing them to a near death experience, I may as well confess and say that I bought my 5 year old a Yamaha that was expressly designed for use by children 6 and up [gasp!]. I expect the black helicopters to be over my house any minute now. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-cool.gif[/img][img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]

 

its legal to ride two up in wayne national forest, as long as you have two passes. riding two up isnt dangerous now riding towe up (tore up) that not good sometimes. as long as you use your head alittle its safe.

 

Our Provincial Govt. (Newfoundland) revised atv regulations last year and now those little kids atv's 50cc-90cc are only to be riden by children aged 12-16. There was quite a bit of protest but the govt. went ahead with it. I recall last year on the news they had a 15 year old boy (about 6 feet tall) sitting on a 90cc bike and it looked silly I'd say it is more unsafe for him to be riding an atv that is to small physically for him. A wind screen,helmet with visor, or goggles are aslo required. Another funny regulation snowmobilers are not required to wear helmets I guess it wouldn't help anyway at the speeds they travel LOL.

 

How what I wrote got misconstrued into me being scared to ride an ATV and in favor of government regulations is beyond me but since my point is apparently so elusive as to have totally escaped some, I'll attempt to clarify it.

In the theoretical sense, personally, I could care less what you do. Ride double or triple or quadruple and do so while naked or standing on your head. I have no personal interest either if you wreck or if you are injured while doing so. I could care less if you dump the ATV and crush the Mrs. cervical vertebrae or splatter the spogs all over 350 ft of slickrock. Makes no difference to me.

However. I was attempting to explain how given the litigious and Nannyfied state of affairs in which we were living, the way things will actually work when something like this hits the right set of circumstances. These boxes which are marketed with a wink and a nod to the actual purpose for which they are intended, a purpose for which Original Vehicle Manufacturer specifically says is unsafe will end up winning the legal jackpot sweepstakes for some trial lawyer. You think that warning is going to stop a judgment? Oh I wish it would. But not in this day and age of victimhood and legal lunacy..

Riding double on a single ATV is more dangerous. Can it be done safely? Of course. Should it be encouraged with these boxes? Not encouraged but definitely not restricted. I wouldn't want to see them banned or anything. I don't see it as a particularly bright thing to do but people are free to do as they wish.

Anything that leads to more adverse publicity to our sport will lead to more regulation and restrictions. The CPSC and the other bed wetting types have been trying to ban and otherwise restrict ATVs for years. Letting them get their teeth into something like those seat boxes would be a perfect opening. I've been really surprised it hasn't been done before. You just watch...They will. You also watch if there is a seat box involved there will be some ATVer there weeping and wailing right behind with a lawyer in tow and the news shows chasing right behind him with a gaggle of cameras.

BTW One woman I know of who was permanently injured in an incident (rear rollover resulting in paralysis) had several lawyers after them who had heard of her accident. Only reason she didn't sue was for religious reasons.

 

AMEN!!!!