All Honda's Are Beltless
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Originally posted by: HONDARACER9551
i agree the day u have to choose a belt driven atv ill quit riding i tride pulling a full hay wagon with a polaris sportmans 500 HO it sat there and just squeeled. i got out my honda rancher 500 it pulled it with no problem at all.
i agree the day u have to choose a belt driven atv ill quit riding i tride pulling a full hay wagon with a polaris sportmans 500 HO it sat there and just squeeled. i got out my honda rancher 500 it pulled it with no problem at all.
#82
11-29-2006, 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by: propnut
99%. WOW. you can downshift? upshift? vary the the engine RPM by shifting? you really think the engine braking is better with a Kawasaki belt drive? (you've driven a few miles of tought trails on a Rubicon, right?). And you can vary the engine braking by shifting into one of the other 5 ratios, right? and of course, your CVT gets better mileage than a manual, right? You know you can maintain a steady speed without moving your thumb, because you do all those utility things like aerate and fertilize and because your belt CVT works different than every other one out there.....and you liked it better than the manual version of your ATV.....because you rode both to compare...and it's definately more fun letting it shift itself. hey, you know what, it must be even more fun to let it steer itself too. Maybe you should just let someone else ride it!!! That would be the most FUN!!!
Granted, it may be my opinion, but it is based more on fact and experience than your speculation or bias. at least I can admit when a feature on another ATV is better. I try not to post like this, but people like V2racer, where swamplites and 70 mph Arctic Cats (with racing spark plugs) are and have the best at everything are just irritating. Hopefully people can see through the lack of integrity with your posts. You bring nothing to the post but bravado or ego. You've probably got more posts than miles. You try to associate yourself as a winner or a man because of the quad you ride. It's really kind of sad.
99%. WOW. you can downshift? upshift? vary the the engine RPM by shifting? you really think the engine braking is better with a Kawasaki belt drive? (you've driven a few miles of tought trails on a Rubicon, right?). And you can vary the engine braking by shifting into one of the other 5 ratios, right? and of course, your CVT gets better mileage than a manual, right? You know you can maintain a steady speed without moving your thumb, because you do all those utility things like aerate and fertilize and because your belt CVT works different than every other one out there.....and you liked it better than the manual version of your ATV.....because you rode both to compare...and it's definately more fun letting it shift itself. hey, you know what, it must be even more fun to let it steer itself too. Maybe you should just let someone else ride it!!! That would be the most FUN!!!
Granted, it may be my opinion, but it is based more on fact and experience than your speculation or bias. at least I can admit when a feature on another ATV is better. I try not to post like this, but people like V2racer, where swamplites and 70 mph Arctic Cats (with racing spark plugs) are and have the best at everything are just irritating. Hopefully people can see through the lack of integrity with your posts. You bring nothing to the post but bravado or ego. You've probably got more posts than miles. You try to associate yourself as a winner or a man because of the quad you ride. It's really kind of sad.
Im crushed Propeanuts. And who cares how many miles i have? And yes, i prefer EVERYTHING a CVT has over a manual, so what? And for your information, i had a honda fourtrax, and i still like a CVT better. It sounds like you really got your panties in a bunch over this. Racing spark plugs? Hmmmmmmm. There was a lot of integerity. Associate myself as a winner, or man by the quad? Not likley. I can show that by supporting a family, and still affording a quad like mine. When you grow some bigger "propeanuts" you can come ride with a man anytime[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
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11-30-2006, 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by: propnut
99%. WOW. you can downshift? upshift? vary the the engine RPM by shifting? you really think the engine braking is better with a Kawasaki belt drive? (you've driven a few miles of tought trails on a Rubicon, right?). And you can vary the engine braking by shifting into one of the other 5 ratios, right? and of course, your CVT gets better mileage than a manual, right? You know you can maintain a steady speed without moving your thumb, because you do all those utility things like aerate and fertilize and because your belt CVT works different than every other one out there.....and you liked it better than the manual version of your ATV.....because you rode both to compare...and it's definately more fun letting it shift itself. hey, you know what, it must be even more fun to let it steer itself too. Maybe you should just let someone else ride it!!! That would be the most FUN!!!
Granted, it may be my opinion, but it is based more on fact and experience than your speculation or bias. at least I can admit when a feature on another ATV is better. I try not to post like this, but people like V2racer, where swamplites and 70 mph Arctic Cats (with racing spark plugs) are and have the best at everything are just irritating. Hopefully people can see through the lack of integrity with your posts. You bring nothing to the post but bravado or ego. You've probably got more posts than miles. You try to associate yourself as a winner or a man because of the quad you ride. It's really kind of sad.
99%. WOW. you can downshift? upshift? vary the the engine RPM by shifting? you really think the engine braking is better with a Kawasaki belt drive? (you've driven a few miles of tought trails on a Rubicon, right?). And you can vary the engine braking by shifting into one of the other 5 ratios, right? and of course, your CVT gets better mileage than a manual, right? You know you can maintain a steady speed without moving your thumb, because you do all those utility things like aerate and fertilize and because your belt CVT works different than every other one out there.....and you liked it better than the manual version of your ATV.....because you rode both to compare...and it's definately more fun letting it shift itself. hey, you know what, it must be even more fun to let it steer itself too. Maybe you should just let someone else ride it!!! That would be the most FUN!!!
Granted, it may be my opinion, but it is based more on fact and experience than your speculation or bias. at least I can admit when a feature on another ATV is better. I try not to post like this, but people like V2racer, where swamplites and 70 mph Arctic Cats (with racing spark plugs) are and have the best at everything are just irritating. Hopefully people can see through the lack of integrity with your posts. You bring nothing to the post but bravado or ego. You've probably got more posts than miles. You try to associate yourself as a winner or a man because of the quad you ride. It's really kind of sad.
#88
11-30-2006, 10:39 AM
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CRAP!!!!! i keep missing the good stuff.
JD, I understand some of the benefits of a CVT. I use my CVT too. Anytime I am doing something where being in the wrong gear would put me in trouble, it would be foolish for me not to be in auto. I also use it for lazy rides. But I also have a choice and can use the manual version. Really the best of both worlds. What I would like to see is the belt type CVT offer the same features. They do it in cars, I hope its only a matter of time. To simply say the CVT does 99% of everything better is just ridiculous. There would't be any manuals left.
But if there's anywhere today's simple belt CVT absolutely belongs, its the snowmobile and golf cart. ATVs could use and deserve more.
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Originally posted by: propnut
don't worry, it was pretty lame
JD, I understand some of the benefits of a CVT. I use my CVT too. Anytime I am doing something where being in the wrong gear would put me in trouble, it would be foolish for me not to be in auto. I also use it for lazy rides. But I also have a choice and can use the manual version. Really the best of both worlds. What I would like to see is the belt type CVT offer the same features. They do it in cars, I hope its only a matter of time. To simply say the CVT does 99% of everything better is just ridiculous. There would't be any manuals left.
But if there's anywhere today's simple belt CVT absolutely belongs, its the snowmobile and golf cart. ATVs could use and deserve more.
CRAP!!!!! i keep missing the good stuff.
JD, I understand some of the benefits of a CVT. I use my CVT too. Anytime I am doing something where being in the wrong gear would put me in trouble, it would be foolish for me not to be in auto. I also use it for lazy rides. But I also have a choice and can use the manual version. Really the best of both worlds. What I would like to see is the belt type CVT offer the same features. They do it in cars, I hope its only a matter of time. To simply say the CVT does 99% of everything better is just ridiculous. There would't be any manuals left.
But if there's anywhere today's simple belt CVT absolutely belongs, its the snowmobile and golf cart. ATVs could use and deserve more.
As for snowmobiling ,try the sport,you may give up ATVs. The fastest most powerful ATV made is like a mid size mediocre sled in performance.
#90
11-30-2006, 02:26 PM
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You should have looked at my photos before you posted. The SRX is one of many brands and models I've had over the years. If we got more snow, I probably wouldn't have an ATV - I'd have a bike and a sled. By comparison ATVs are a compromise and generally slow. Their versitality is both a + and - (one RV instead of two, that does as well as neither). If I did not have experience with belt drives, I would not have posted about this subject. Most of my experience with belts is with sleds. I've spent many hours trying to tune out the inefficiencies of the belt drive. The most powerful ATV is slow even when compared to a beginner's sled. There isn't any way (even) a Can Am 800 is keeping up to almost any sled. We've ridden with a mixed crowd enough to know ATVs just can't even come close to hanging, they just hold up the group.
The majority of ATVs are belts - because they have force fed you belts. You really have little choice. Marketing departments have done their jobs and a lot of people just roll over (and turn into a mouth piece for their favorite manufacturer).
One thing I have noticed is that the brand-loyal mentality is strong in both sports.
Many of us disagree that shifting on the trail is like stop and go with a car, but I do realize we are a minority. Whatever I buy I prefer to have the ability to select ratios. When I drive for fun, I do not think any part of it is a chore, unlike stop and go commuting. The more involved I am, the funner. How someone could compare the two is a wonder to me. The more decisions left to the driver the more intense it is. Some just can't be bothered with challenges.
The majority of ATVs are belts - because they have force fed you belts. You really have little choice. Marketing departments have done their jobs and a lot of people just roll over (and turn into a mouth piece for their favorite manufacturer).
One thing I have noticed is that the brand-loyal mentality is strong in both sports.
Many of us disagree that shifting on the trail is like stop and go with a car, but I do realize we are a minority. Whatever I buy I prefer to have the ability to select ratios. When I drive for fun, I do not think any part of it is a chore, unlike stop and go commuting. The more involved I am, the funner. How someone could compare the two is a wonder to me. The more decisions left to the driver the more intense it is. Some just can't be bothered with challenges.