Old PSAR thread - please see the new one
Apr 14, 2007 | 11:18 AM
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Apr 14, 2007 | 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by: TractorPacker
I just got kicked out of a bar, first time ever. Sittin there drinkin my drink and a dude grabs my shoulder and says something. I have no idea what he said, because Matt jumped up and lit into the guy. It got outof hand and people became fishapples, really fast. I laughed, because it all started over an attention "lady" that Matt dated. She showed us her ring and I said," You could have done better." It looked like it came from a gum ball machine at the local Wal-Mart. The dude didn't like it.
I just got kicked out of a bar, first time ever. Sittin there drinkin my drink and a dude grabs my shoulder and says something. I have no idea what he said, because Matt jumped up and lit into the guy. It got outof hand and people became fishapples, really fast. I laughed, because it all started over an attention "lady" that Matt dated. She showed us her ring and I said," You could have done better." It looked like it came from a gum ball machine at the local Wal-Mart. The dude didn't like it.
Apr 14, 2007 | 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by: WildTurkey151
That proves it, I was wrong!
Originally posted by: tencubed
It really makes very little difference if you have a generator or alternator. Each of which comes in various configurations including the permanent magnet system you have in your quad. The fact that the engine is using fuel to create the spinning motion that is converted to electricity is the key to the whole thing. If this fuel is used for forward motion instead of producing electricity you have more acceleration or whatever. Most of the alternators use only the energy required to produce the amount of electricity that is being demanded of them at that time. Self regulating in that regard. If there is no where for the electricity to go it simply is static in the system and no energy is required to move it. Only other energy loss to the alternator is thru gears, bearings, cooling fans and such. Because of this if your battery is fully charged and the only drain on the system is the ignition the energy required to spin the alternator is negligible.
It all has to do with those silly little electrons wanting to run down a wire. If they have no place to go they just stand around and do nothing which requires no effort, or energy.
Originally posted by: WildTurkey151
Well then allow me to ask this question/statement. Do Some/Most sport and ute quads have stators rather than having alternetors? B/c I know on my craptor I have a stator, which acts like an alternator but different. The alternator is like a parasite, in when the motor is running the alternator leaches power form the crank in order to produce electricty. A stator on the other hand is atached to something and the flywheel spins over the top of it. The flywheel has a strong magnet on the inside and spins around the stator which produces electricity. Wether you disconnect the cable form the stator you will still produce power caused by the magnetic feild, but it just won't have anywhere to go.
If I am wrong tell me b/c this is the way I interpite(sp) it.
Originally posted by: tencubed
I'm going to go out on a shaky rotten old limb here and make a couple of assumptions. First, lets assume the alternator in the bike is the type that is not self regulating since it has an external regulator. Some have both but that is rare. Second, let's assume the bike is using a shunt loss type of regulator that always uses some power to keep the system active. These use a small amount for this purpose but some is used. Now, with these assumptions in place the device advertising indicates it is taking the rotor/magnet interface and either moving the timing on it or simply shutting it off. Just as the alternator in your car will draw less horsepower when it is unplugged or not producing any power this change in the phase of the bike alternator would allow the use of less power. Since the claim is for a percentage of horsepower being produced as the increase rather than a straight horsepower figure it follows that the increase is related to engine speed. Since most alternators output is a function of RPMs up to their total capability it would seem this would be a reasonable way to measure the increase in available power. I would question the high number as it is probably based on the difference between maximum alternator output and zero output which would be seldom seen in the real world especially since the ad says something about "once the battery is nearly full". It is, I suppose, possible to see a usable power gain with this device but I would have my serious doubts.It would seem an easier way to accomplish the same basic effect would be to install an alternator cut out switch for those times you want really maximum power. This could even be tied to the throttle to take effect any time a preset throttle position was reached. Careful inspection and understanding of the charging system would be required to avoid creating unwanted side effects or problems.If a quad is keeping it's battery well charged and your not running a bunch of lights I would think the benefits would be marginal at best.JMO and I could be really wrong. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: WildTurkey151
Or maybe I am just too stupid to understand.
Originally posted by: WildTurkey151
I thought all a rectifier did was deal with the electrical current through the bike. I didn't know it would change the Rev Limiter. That doesn't sound right though! A rectifier is an electrical</A> device</A> that converts alternating current</A> to direct current</A>, a process known as rectification. Thats fro that deals with coverting current from AC->DC should have nothing to do with your motor RPM
Originally posted by: wingdudeMB, this is what I was asking about, Hi-Perf RectifierDoes this make sense, or is it a waste of money? Anyone else please chime in as well
If I am wrong tell me b/c this is the way I interpite(sp) it.
It all has to do with those silly little electrons wanting to run down a wire. If they have no place to go they just stand around and do nothing which requires no effort, or energy.
I can't find where you were wrong about anything! You ask about a rectifier in reference to that doo-dad on flea bay and I got off on a tangent about how I didn't think it was worth buying. (sorry about that [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-blush.gif[/img] ) As far as the stator, or rotor or whatever you want to call it, the potential is still there, it's just not being used and therefore no energy is consumed. If I was better at explaining this stuff it would be a lot easier but I suck as a writer and teacher.
Apr 14, 2007 | 07:21 PM
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Originally posted by: tnemaloney
well temp last night was 99.4 and this mornin it is 99.5 she is doing this on purpose [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
well temp last night was 99.4 and this mornin it is 99.5 she is doing this on purpose [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]