the trails..

 

With a beer in hand no doubt. I feel there has been a growing issue with ATV's in general and that's why I decided to become an instructor.

I think MNRAP and ZButcher did the right thing and wouldn't hesitate to do the same myself. I kind of get the feeling that some here feel they can do what ever they damn well please and don't care what they may be doing to the sport. With that said, I have to question what, if anything constructive, they have done to improve our sport? I know personally that ZButcher created an online petition in order to open and large gravel pit in Southern MN.

 

Don't care how big you are. You must drink some pretty watered down beer. lol

 

So are you drinking again? You own Clark County Forests ?

Try reading this when you sober up



The Clark County Forest was established in 1934 and currently covers nearly 133,000 acres. This large public property is governed by the County Forest Law, which requires that it be managed for forestry purposes-including multiple uses such as recreation, wildlife habitat, and watershed protection. Clark County manages the forest resources on a stainable basis using modern technology and progressive integrated resource management methods.

In March of 2005, the Clark County Forest became certified to the standards of the Forest Stewardship Council. Forest certification is a process in which forest practices are audited by an independent third party organization. Certification assures consumers that the wood products they purchase come from forests that are well managed and follow sustainable and ecologically sound practices.

The forest provides an abundance of recreational opportunities. There are many miles of County Forest trails designated for snowmobiling, ATV's, cross-country skiing, horseback riding, mountain biking and hiking. Additionally, numerous roads and trails throughout the forest provide access for hunting and trapping, camping, scenic driving, wildlife observation, berry picking and fishing.

While providing important habitat for wildlife and meeting the needs of a recreating public, the Clark County Forest will continue to be an important supplier of raw forest products for wood-using industries. Through intensive sustainable forest management, these products and amenities are provided for future generations. For further information, please call Clark County Forestry and Parks Department at (715) 743-5140.



If I call this number will you answer?

 

I have seen plenty of drinkers out there on utes, sports, & bikes. The kind of machine you drive does not make you an idiot. I stop at bars but drink root beer & grab a bite to eat. I have also been passed by a$$holes on sports, utes & bikes. When I think it is safe and depending on my group I may wave you by or stop at a crossing. I have also and heard those noisey machines there is a db limit and due to problems from the noise I am hoping they start to enforce it better. Have seen jerks riding wheelies in the parking lot of the Best Western motel. Don't lump all of anyone together, I do not drink, ride a ute, am a saftey trainer & trail patrol. I like to ride and do not care for anyone that gives the atv community a black eye. Be it drinking, schmart a$$ing, riding off trail or whatever.

 

your taxes go to a general pot of money for the whole state.... does that mean you own the whole state ??
i buy a WI trail pass . which is 18.00. which goes directly to the dnr funding. i bet thats more than than the amount that actually goes to the dnr from your property taxes, does that mean i own clarke county forest too ?
it seems like you have put alot into your drinking research. thats very impressive !!! and judging from your weight , i'm guessing you drink alot elsewhere. i just hope you stay on your side of the trail when you've had " a couple " ( i'm guessing " a couple" means 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 not "1 or 2" ) as your reaction time is less no matter how much you weigh. i'd rather come across a expeirenced sober rider going faster than you ........ and this is for everyone : if you are going less then the speed limit ( if there is one ) and you know somebody wants to pass in a safe manner....let them, you dont have the right to determine how fast they can go ( if its below the speed limit ) if it was up to jkane13 here, we would all have to follow him and his family 20 miles up to the next trail head. lol ..what right do you have to do that ? if you want everyone to ride the same speed , talk to your elected officials and see if they will enact a law that says you cant ride faster than jeff and his family. (oh, wait, i forgot, you own that trail system, you can just change it yourself) in the meantime i will do everything i can to get the alcohol off the trails..

i get a laugh out of these riders that bring their families and there coolers of beer and try to teach responsible riding on the trail to there kids while they are sucking down a cold one or 5 , then complain about the sport riders that are riding within safeness but want to pass or ride faster..

 

I'm not liking the direction this is going but anyway. You see I have to argue the whole"Your not being responsible if you have a beer while your riding,your a bad example for your kids" I believe if your out on the trail for the day and you have your family with you and you stop for a trail lunch and you have 1-2 beers with your lunch and your kids see this it shows them that hey Alcohol is a part of life and it is not an issue when used properly. Dad had a beer or even two but that was it , he is acting responsible.
Secondly do not throw that crap in our faces about having a beer gives our sport a black eye, loud machines ,speed , stupidity and drunks are what give our sport a bad name. I don't care if your on a sportbike or a utility machine.It seems some on here have proclaimed themselves as crusaders to the sport because they are ATV Instructors or ATV Club presidents or I'm making our sport better because I got a gravel pit open,is comical. I mean unless I heard wrong the Gravelpit saviour is the same guy bragging about "if I come up behind you you will know I'm there with the pipes I have on my bike you will hear me" . Well guess what I own a fair amount of property where I live here in Eastern Canada and the loud sounds like a motocross bike coming is the guy that pisses me off. And belive me if you ask my neighbors they will same the same thing,it isn't the guy that stops on thier property and has a beer and a chat that bothers them it's the guy that you here coming 2 miles away goes across the property in a wheel stand and you stil hear him 2 miles down the road, that is the guy that pickup the phone and report. Just my two cents worth I ride with retired cops and we will have a beer from time to time. RESPONSIBILITY THAT IS THE WORD!!!

 

Not once did we claim to be a crusader to our sport. If you would have read through ZButcher's posts, you would have seen that "HE" isn't the one with the loud pipe. As far as any loud pipe, as long as they're within the regulated db level as set by the local authorities, then there is not an issue. I think ZButhcer's point about hearing them is that their machines will be heard over a stock exhaust but not so much that the exhaust note is over-bearing.

If you're out pouring beer down your hole, what do you do with your empty containers? Do you take your trash out with you or do you toss them out in the woods? If you take them out with you, then you would have an open container while operating, which would be a violation here in the U.S. But I wouldn' trule out that you're near a trash can and can dispose of them properly.

Either way, alcohol is a mood/judgement altering substance and I will never change my perspective on whether or not it's ok to mix ATV's/alcohol/kids. But to say that alcohol is a part of life is the first sign there's a problem.

 

"I have a band new kfx450 BigSled w/ a 660Raptor MNRap has a yfz450 w/ pipe K&N ect ect & is VERY LOAD... U know when we R Behind you."

Sorry I read the above statement and he say's if we are behind you, would that not include him?? So as long as his exhaust is within the legal limits then it is okay, it is loud but within the legal limits. So as long as I drink and stay below the legal blood alcohol limits I'm okay does that sound right??? I see now that I have a beer on the trail I'm automaticallly a litter bug also. I take everything with me back to my trash can and I mean everything even a gum wrapper.
And please explain to me how alcohol isn't a part of life and explain to me how that's part of my problem I believe is what you were getting at. Alcohol is a part of my life the same way food or anything else is.I partake now and again.

One other quick question ATV President Sir, what kind of qualifacations training and background do you need to become a certified training instructor guy, Oh ya how long have you been riding

 

This topic is irrating to say the least, Like I said I do not agree with driving drunk, I also don't agree with the accusations of having a beer is irresponsible, or that if you have a beer your a bad atver or your a litterbug or any other unfounded comment. I'm very repectful of the enviroment and other atver's, land owners and authority. And yes I'm definitely taking a six pack with me Saturday. And if I see a sportbike coming " I'll smile and wave"