Well said.

 

The banshee's power/torque is on the top end, and for that analogy about putting the Raptor and the Banshee in a gear too high and to see which ones pulls out the Raptor will shake and pull up the gear after some time, and the Banshee will act like it just idling even with the throttle pinned and will not react but just tap the clutch barely...........and baby hold on because once a banshee hit it's RPM range it's not coming back out of it, now do the same thing on the Raptor and it will rev up and rev right back down after tapping the clutch, this is why 2strokes never need to down shift once they are in the powerband even going up the stipest hill unlike a 4stroke that you'll see down shifting the higher they go. It's all about where the power is generated, if you want top speed and something that will pull those large gears then the 2stroke is unmatched by any 4stroke but if you want a broad smooth power band then get a 4stroke. I have had my share of Raptor and it's just too mild for me, now i hooked very hard on the SHEE.

 

uhhhh..... Are you saying you can't slip a clutch on a Rap and you never downshift once in the powerband climbing a hill?

 

the way to look at it is like in drag racing. torque is what launches the car off the line and the hp is what carries it the rest of the way. thats why some cars have to build up more rpm's off the line.

 

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Originally posted by: rennym
You could slip the hell out of the clutch on the Rap until it on it's own, but what I was referring to was just a fast tap to get the RPMs up, do the tap to both and only the Banshee will answer back with it's full power the Raptor's power is the same throughout the RPM range, and about down shifting watch the some 2stroke and 4stroke quads doing hill climbs the 2stroke bikes usually never need to down shift on the way up as long as they don't over shift, unlike a 4stroke that might of started good but as they get higher the engine suffers and starts to lose RPM's and usually end up down shifting at the top.

 

Horsepower is derived from torque at 5250 RPMs. The Rappy makes the torque at a lower value hence the more useful power.Bubba

 

I love t he raptors, and I am getting one in a few months, but I'm sorry. I live in Cali and go to the desert all the time. At teh hill at night teh banshee's are whooping on the raptors. Banshee's are made for the ***** out hill climbing at high rpm speed. I like the raptors because you will still get up the hill quickly, but htey are easier to cruise through the dunes on. I wanted a banshee untill I rode a stock raptor. I fell in love with it. Meanwhile I rode a really fast banshee and I didn't like all the work I had to do to just moderatly cruise through the dunes. I have a tri-z 250 right now so I'm use to the two stroke power, I am just not wanting to fight with the bike the whole ride.

 

Horsepower is a FUNCTION (as in math) of torque. It is purely calculated from the amount of work they perform (torque.) Bubba was pretty close on what he noted.

HP = (Torque x RPM)/5252

Dynos measure the amount of Torque the motor (though generally you are looking at what's put on the ground so it wil lose some through the drivetrain) is making. You take the torque, multiple that by the RPMs of the motor and divide the result by 5252. The result is your horsepower. Most dynos will output this in a graph. And if you look at the graph, you will see that your horsepower and torque curves intersect at 5252 RPMS. Why 5252...it's some math. Go here for an explanation.

One HP is the power it takes to move 1 lb 33,000 ft in one minute. Or one HP can be any combination of weight and distance that equal 33,000. Ie. 10lbs and 3300ft, 100lbs and 330ft. (It's based off of a mine pony's ability to move 22,000 ft-lbs of work per minute. It's not actually a true measurment of what one horse could do. James Watt (of the lightbulb fame) pretty much pulled it out of the air. See How Horsepower Works for an explanation of horsepower.

Most people seemed to have it down close. Jakal was the first to nail it, just didn't have the "irrelevant number" whis is actually very relevant. It's how you get RPMS (measured in MINUTES) to something you need...as measurment in SECONDS.

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