yfz top end rebuild, how many hours?
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yfz top end rebuild, how many hours?
Originally posted by: deathmetal
Isnt the science behind it that the piston itself shrinks just a little bit and kind of wobbles around, therefore losing some compression as well? I see a lot of people go to .20 over on there rebuild, however, if its not knicked up in the cylinder walls cant you just still use the stock bore on it? Also, how exactly does a ring "wear" out, does it become more loose on the piston or ?
Originally posted by: Sandfox24
Becouse the piston, rings, and cylinder wear out and you start losing compression. Depending on how weak your top end is, tells you what to do. I redo mine when the compression drops to low. When mine wears out I Bore the cylinder and replace the piston and rings. I am not familiar with 4-strokes but I am sure you need do something with the valves in the head also..
PS.. Modifiying you bike will make these parts move faster and wear out faster. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
Originally posted by: Carmelo15
can someone explain to me why top end rebuilds have to be done and what and how its done?
can someone explain to me why top end rebuilds have to be done and what and how its done?
PS.. Modifiying you bike will make these parts move faster and wear out faster. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
The ring wears on its outside edge were it is in contact with the cylinder. This will decrease the width of the ring and allow more air to travel between it and the cylinder (less compression). On my bike the rings have a pin that keeps them from spinning on the piston. This is needed becouse the open ends of the ring would catch on the exhaust port. I am not sure how this applies with 4-strokes, anybody?
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yfz top end rebuild, how many hours?
With the newer 4-strokes, the typical rebuild should only need a piston, rings, wrist pin and possibly valve seals. Most of the bikes are also using a nikasil liner in the cylinder, which is harder than a iron sleeve so it doesn't need bored. My recomendation is to get a compression tester and test your bike and check with what the manual says. Loss of power could be more than loss of compression, check your jetting and make sure your airfilter and sparkplug is fresh. You didn't get a bad batch of gas did you? I would hope your motor would last more than a year.
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yfz top end rebuild, how many hours?
4-stroke top end rebuilds? How hard are you guys pushing these things?
Unless you are pro MX racer, rebuilding a top end on a 4-stoke isn't something you do very often. I've seen fine running 4-stokes with thousands of hours on them. My Buddy's got a street legal Honda XR400 with over 150,000 miles on it, and the hours are probably off the wall. He's never done a rebuild on anything in the engine and it still runs strong.
Even multi-valve engines producing significantly more RPMs than an XR400 or similar engine, should last well into the 1000 hour range if they are not abused and are taken care of. Like I said, if you race MX where RPMs are screaming all the time that's another story. If you race woods, or are just riding for fun, grunting around most of the time you can make a 4-cycle engine last a long, long time.
A guy I ride with has a 94' Warrior with an estimated 1500 hours on it, and his brother has a 400ex with an hour meter that reads in the 600 area right now, and it hasn't been on the quad since it was new. Both bikes are well maintained, and neither has even had as much as a valve adjustment. The 400ex has been ridden hard too, it's been raced several times and it's also been out to Moab, and some So. Cal dunes where he lived for a year, the Warrior admitedly has only been ridden in the woods and on fire roads.
If you ride 5 hours a week, in twenty weeks you've hit 100 hours. That's not even 6 months.
Unless you are pro MX racer, rebuilding a top end on a 4-stoke isn't something you do very often. I've seen fine running 4-stokes with thousands of hours on them. My Buddy's got a street legal Honda XR400 with over 150,000 miles on it, and the hours are probably off the wall. He's never done a rebuild on anything in the engine and it still runs strong.
Even multi-valve engines producing significantly more RPMs than an XR400 or similar engine, should last well into the 1000 hour range if they are not abused and are taken care of. Like I said, if you race MX where RPMs are screaming all the time that's another story. If you race woods, or are just riding for fun, grunting around most of the time you can make a 4-cycle engine last a long, long time.
A guy I ride with has a 94' Warrior with an estimated 1500 hours on it, and his brother has a 400ex with an hour meter that reads in the 600 area right now, and it hasn't been on the quad since it was new. Both bikes are well maintained, and neither has even had as much as a valve adjustment. The 400ex has been ridden hard too, it's been raced several times and it's also been out to Moab, and some So. Cal dunes where he lived for a year, the Warrior admitedly has only been ridden in the woods and on fire roads.
If you ride 5 hours a week, in twenty weeks you've hit 100 hours. That's not even 6 months.
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yfz top end rebuild, how many hours?
Originally posted by: ss97
4-stroke top end rebuilds? How hard are you guys pushing these things?
Unless you are pro MX racer, rebuilding a top end on a 4-stoke isn't something you do very often. I've seen fine running 4-stokes with thousands of hours on them. My Buddy's got a street legal Honda XR400 with over 150,000 miles on it, and the hours are probably off the wall. He's never done a rebuild on anything in the engine and it still runs strong.
Even multi-valve engines producing significantly more RPMs than an XR400 or similar engine, should last well into the 1000 hour range if they are not abused and are taken care of. Like I said, if you race MX where RPMs are screaming all the time that's another story. If you race woods, or are just riding for fun, grunting around most of the time you can make a 4-cycle engine last a long, long time.
A guy I ride with has a 94' Warrior with an estimated 1500 hours on it, and his brother has a 400ex with an hour meter that reads in the 600 area right now, and it hasn't been on the quad since it was new. Both bikes are well maintained, and neither has even had as much as a valve adjustment. The 400ex has been ridden hard too, it's been raced several times and it's also been out to Moab, and some So. Cal dunes where he lived for a year, the Warrior admitedly has only been ridden in the woods and on fire roads.
If you ride 5 hours a week, in twenty weeks you've hit 100 hours. That's not even 6 months.
4-stroke top end rebuilds? How hard are you guys pushing these things?
Unless you are pro MX racer, rebuilding a top end on a 4-stoke isn't something you do very often. I've seen fine running 4-stokes with thousands of hours on them. My Buddy's got a street legal Honda XR400 with over 150,000 miles on it, and the hours are probably off the wall. He's never done a rebuild on anything in the engine and it still runs strong.
Even multi-valve engines producing significantly more RPMs than an XR400 or similar engine, should last well into the 1000 hour range if they are not abused and are taken care of. Like I said, if you race MX where RPMs are screaming all the time that's another story. If you race woods, or are just riding for fun, grunting around most of the time you can make a 4-cycle engine last a long, long time.
A guy I ride with has a 94' Warrior with an estimated 1500 hours on it, and his brother has a 400ex with an hour meter that reads in the 600 area right now, and it hasn't been on the quad since it was new. Both bikes are well maintained, and neither has even had as much as a valve adjustment. The 400ex has been ridden hard too, it's been raced several times and it's also been out to Moab, and some So. Cal dunes where he lived for a year, the Warrior admitedly has only been ridden in the woods and on fire roads.
If you ride 5 hours a week, in twenty weeks you've hit 100 hours. That's not even 6 months.
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