I've been riding / racing dirt bikes, atv's or jet skis my whole life. But i got out of it due to college and needing to focus on something else. Now it's time for fun again... I've been doing a ton of looking and reading every where to find just the ride atv for me this time now that money isn't a issue. I'll be mostly doing trail rides, jumps and just having a blast. I have to admit at first when I was looking I was really going for something that is fast I can whip the rear end around in turns and just have a blast with .. with out *not* being able to go through mud or (all trails). Which lead me to the brand new scrambler 500 or brand new 450 wolverine. These are the differences I've noticed.... scrambler seems to be faster and has a lot more sport feel to it and more fire in the engine *pick up*. But the things I read that worry me are as follows. 1. I hear about 40% reviews from people yelling how they are fixing stuff all the time. I don't know about you guys but I don't want to work on the thing all the time I want to ride it. 2. The belt seems to be slipping and just all around *breaking down on you problems*. Now the wolverine seems to not have a problem in this area yet I hear 50% of people yelling how it's not fast enough and how they can't really go out and have fun on the thing for this reason. Now I've even watched every video I can find on these three machines and I have to admit the 700r raptor seems to be by far my favorite bike as far as how it's fast, can jump, spin and seems to do pretty good on trails. But here are my questions that I'd love for you to help me answer ...

1. Just how bad is the scrambler as far as breaking down?
2. Can you fly around turns and sling the back end of the wolverine out like I see videos of the scrambler doing and the raptor? Or is this just bad riders I'm watching?
3. *important* I'd seriously hands down say the raptor 700 but just how easy is it to get this thing stuck? If I travel different places with my atv am I going to have a hard time riding trails with this atv because it gets stuck and can't climb hills? Or will this thing take on like 2 or 3 ft or water or mud if you handle it right? And will it handle rocky or hard hill climbs with rocks or mud ??

(My riding will be on trails and just taking off every where but yet I don't want to worry where I go because I'm going to get stuck or can't handle a hill or can't cross normal creeks. Now I know that a 2x4 isn't going to go in mud pits and stuff but I'm saying normal to a little extreme riding conditions what do you think I'm best with???)

Thanks so much for your time
Stephen

 

WARRIOR...

 

are you not the guy thats talking about FIXING his to sell it??? lol Either your trying to sell me a atv... or must not have to much faith in the advice your giving lol. No thanks man hahaha keep yours and I'll borrow it once in a while lol.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: alwaysriding

I've been riding / racing dirt bikes, atv's or jet skis my whole life. But i got out of it due to college and needing to focus on something else. Now it's time for fun again... I've been doing a ton of looking and reading every where to find just the ride atv for me this time now that money isn't a issue. I'll be mostly doing trail rides, jumps and just having a blast. I have to admit at first when I was looking I was really going for something that is fast I can whip the rear end around in turns and just have a blast with .. with out *not* being able to go through mud or (all trails). Which lead me to the brand new scrambler 500 or brand new 450 wolverine. These are the differences I've noticed.... scrambler seems to be faster and has a lot more sport feel to it and more fire in the engine *pick up*. But the things I read that worry me are as follows. 1. I hear about 40% reviews from people yelling how they are fixing stuff all the time. I don't know about you guys but I don't want to work on the thing all the time I want to ride it. 2. The belt seems to be slipping and just all around *breaking down on you problems*. Now the wolverine seems to not have a problem in this area yet I hear 50% of people yelling how it's not fast enough and how they can't really go out and have fun on the thing for this reason. Now I've even watched every video I can find on these three machines and I have to admit the 700r raptor seems to be by far my favorite bike as far as how it's fast, can jump, spin and seems to do pretty good on trails. But here are my questions that I'd love for you to help me answer ...



1. Just how bad is the scrambler as far as breaking down?

2. Can you fly around turns and sling the back end of the wolverine out like I see videos of the scrambler doing and the raptor? Or is this just bad riders I'm watching?

3. *important* I'd seriously hands down say the raptor 700 but just how easy is it to get this thing stuck? If I travel different places with my atv am I going to have a hard time riding trails with this atv because it gets stuck and can't climb hills? Or will this thing take on like 2 or 3 ft or water or mud if you handle it right? And will it handle rocky or hard hill climbs with rocks or mud ??



(My riding will be on trails and just taking off every where but yet I don't want to worry where I go because I'm going to get stuck or can't handle a hill or can't cross normal creeks. Now I know that a 2x4 isn't going to go in mud pits and stuff but I'm saying normal to a little extreme riding conditions what do you think I'm best with???)



Thanks so much for your time

Stephen</end quote></div>

I feel you dilemma. I had a 660, have a 07 Wolverine and a 07 Renegade. I got hung up and stuck all the time with the 660 and covered in mud just going across a backyard. Granted that was a 660, but you'll still be getting hung up on a 700. A Wolverine is able to go most places, and can be ridden through the trails pretty aggressively, but don't expect to punch it and feel the punch of a sport bike, and it will slide if it's slippery or loose terra firma you're on. It's also a little rough on hard rocky terrain. Yamaha really doesn't have a powerful fun 4wd ......YET. Even the Grizzly 700 is less than inspiring when you're use to riding sport machines. If I were you, I'd look at a 650 Brute and throw some sportier tires on there that handle better, or just get a Renegade. Think of a Renegade as a Wolverine on steroids. The Wolverine can be fun, just not as thrilling as a 700 Raptor will be, of course you probably won't have to worry about getting stuck though either. As for the Scrambler, great concept, and it was good when it was introduced, but it's basically anitquated and top heavy. On the plus side, it will ride better than a Wolverine over rocky rough terrain.

 

i dont own one... but i konw some one who does and that thing will gefinitly climb and it will ne smooth rideing as the sespention is amazeing as of getting ether ride with a utility with a weinch or dont get stuck and what are expecting to get stuck on???

 

NO IM THE GUY WHO WON'T OWN ANYTHING ELSE........

 

I'm partial to Yamahas. I've spent quite a bit of time on a 500 Scrambler and it doesn't handle as well as my Wolverine and its about as fast. The 700 Raptor is a whole different story, very fast and handles well but it won't go where a 4x4 will. I agree that a Renegade is a Wolverine on steroids but its also WAY heavier and WAY more expensive. Even the 500 Renegade is a really heavy bike and a lot more money than the Wolverine.

 

any 4x4 weighs to much....4x4s are for the guys that want to putt putt around

 

The wolverine is a great quad, I have never had good luck with a Polaris myself. I do wish the wolverine had about another 50 cc to the motor but I can still slide it around do some jumps and bust out donuts. With the mods that are available for it it just makes it that much better.

 

Oh my god.... trust me. . . . there is nothing slow about an 800 Renegade. Horsepower on a 700 Raptor is what like 47hp or something in that area. An 800 v twin in a Renegade is almost 20 hp more, and it feels every bit as powerful. As for the weight of a 4wd, of course a front differential is going make it weigh a lot more. Considering a 4wd V twin Renegade weighs about as much as single cylinder Grizzy, I'd say that's pretty light. As for the Wolverine, it's about 80lbs less than a Renegade, then again, it's only carrying the weight of one 421cc single cylinder head, and isn't carrying the extra weight of fuel injection. That 80lbs is nice, but, the extra weight of my Renegade keeps the rear end from bouncing around like a Wolverine. I don't know why but the Wolverine feels like all the weight is in the front and the rear feels almost weightless when going over logs and rocks. It bounces around like a basketball, especially compared to my Renegade. I came upon some pretty bumpy whoops a lot faster than I was planning on and thought for sure the rear was going to start bouncing around and swapping side to side, but to my surprise, it remained very, very stable. That machine is very well balanced. I like Yamahas too, but I have to say I think my Renegade handles better and feels more stable in every aspect regardless of the difference in power. The power will get you where you're going, but after you've been riding 660 and 700 Raptors, and 800 Renegades, the power of a Wolverine just isn't going to give the same satisfying exhilaration. I really do try to stay impartial, but there isn't anything else comparable to a Renegade. As a matter of fact, I'm thinking about tradinng my Wolverine in for a 500 Renegade. The one thing I do like about my Wolverine is the straight rear axle prevents any loss of ground clearance in the rear when the suspension loads up. Their is an adequate amount of ground clearance that never decreases from the suspension compressing like it does on any IRS rear suspsended quad. Sure they have more ground clearance sitting still, but when the suspension compresses you might be lucky if you have three inches of clearance.