Oh yea, this should be on the front page of every ATV site on the internet. How do we get this on the front pager here?

 

All i can add to this is join your local ABATE ,Blue Ribon Coalation,or even AMA they are fighting for our rights to ride and need your help.

 

You guys need to fight this now, it's easyer to fight a law that dident pas yet then one that has allready past, or you will end up like us, and you think that 16 is bad, over here its 18, and must have license, insurance, in short evrything a car needs. now you know that if this law pases, the only ppl who will get hert is you young ATVers like me (15), it will only lead to ppl riding illegaly, and if this law will be inforced ilke here or not i dont know, but if it will it'l mean that young ATVers will be arested, and you can take my word for it, it had allready happend here in isreal.
and the perents will be stuck in the middle between following the law and leting there kide ride and risk geting them busted.
now trust me, you DONT want this to happen.

 

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The parents of the kid in the mud kneeling on the seat of that 4x4 should be arrested.

What ever happened to personal responsibility.

Smitty >>



Ditto. Now we have to punish the masses because of a few bad apples. I dont have any problem with kids riding but the parents have to know where to draw the line.

 

I think this all a bunch of bull. How many other things can they come up with to bash our great sport? If the rider is the right size and can handle the machine than he should be able to ride it. There shouldn't be any laws that have to do with the age of a rider. I am 15 and weigh about 140 lbs and i'm 5 ft 8. My brother is only 11 and he is just about the same size. Don't tell me he should ride a 90 cause the other machines are too big. What are the kids that are big for their age supposed to do? Sit on their a$$ until they turn 16. I don't think so!

 

OK maybe the Consumer Federation really cares about the saftey of children. I took a look at their website and it seems to me that they are more interested in banning playgrounds than they are in banning ATV's. They are just misguided in thinking that they can ban everything that is dangerous in the world. Cry babies! They will never be able to protect stupid people from themselves, nobody can.

What is really scary is the Blue Water Network that is connected with this goofy report. Their website freaked me out! Apparently we ATVers are all destructive environmental terrorists. We kill cute little turtles with our big tires and scare all of the animals out of the woods. Boo Hoo. Reality is that you can ride right by a deer on a quad and they just look at you curiously. How many of you have run over a turtle? I need to know!

This report is all that I need, I get so much grief from family and friends already because of this kind of irresponsible reporting. ATV riding is like anything else, it's only dangerous if you are STUPID. This past Sunday a 20 year old girl in our community killed herself on an ATV. I have been asked about it repeatedly and I tell people that it is NOT reccommended to ride drunk at 3AM on a paved road by yourself. This young lady ran off the road, hit a tree and laid there maybe dead or maybe alive until she was found DOA at 10:30 the next morning. Oh and by the way she wasn't wearing a helmet. Sounds like suicide to me.

 

Well, it's now at 49% and 48% for tougher laws. I got to vote twice [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]. Once at the opening web page and again at the story.

LOL, i guess they don't use cookies cause if you go from the home page to the story and back to the home page and then to the story and keep doing this you can vote as many times as you like. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

Its now 49% to 48% against tougher laws. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

Run over turtles hell my boy wont hit one but he sure will stop and load his bags up with them frogs and anything else he finds.He is 10 and rides a 125 Breeze and never sets his butt on it without full gear.I agree that you cant stop Stupid people.

 

This is not about safety. It never was. The enviromentists are using this to push their agenda on the general public. It is a stroke of marketing genuis. This way they get all the people who don't care about ATVs viewing them as deathtraps for our children, therefore hating ATVs and ATVers. It would not suprise me if the kid in the mud is the child of one of these people. They have to get this stock footage somewhere. They are using this as an election year campain stunt. Don't let them fool you, or more importantly, non-ATVers. Try to inform as many non-ATVers as you can about this bogus report! Telling other ATVers gets us nowhere. We all know the facts already. Get the facts to the people the that need them, the non-ATVers.

 

For one, statistics usually have fraudulent or false data. How can we verify how they came up with these numbers? What is included in the Injuries category? I mean, little johnny was sitting on dads atv in the garage and pretending he was racing through the woods, he heard dad coming, and as he tried to quickly get off, he hooked his foot on some plastic and bounced his head off the floor requiring 3 stitches above his eye?

I've dealt with this same **** with all the bans on guns for a long time. I live in california, so no one knows about bs legislation better than the few sane californians out here that have seen this. My dad actually left this state because of it.

Anyway, statistics by these organizations are usually false, which OHV organization out there is going to look into this. These organizations will use false statistics to get their point across without having a shred of hard evidence, or the statistics have been tainted. Try this simple test to see how people beleive statistics that are blurted out are factual. I've done this test on people, and it works. Not this exact story, I'm just going to make it up as I type.

&quot;Did you know that approximately 35,000 Americans have been killed, and 130,000 injured between 1997 and 2002 by their computers. No, really. Apparently the hard drive manufacturers are using substandard metals in the manufacturing process. The metal disks that are inside the computer weigh as much as 14 .45 caliber bullets, and because these metal disks spin around at speeds of up to 15,000 RPM, when the metals break up, the drive literally explodes, sending pieces of shrapnel out of the computer and into anything sitting near the computer. Yep, it's scary, and you don't read much about it. I read a story recently published by the Associated Press about it. I'll have to print it out for you, or email you the link on their website. I guess they have found 1 out of every 3 hard drives placed in newer computers produced since 1997 have these design flaws. They even said that they expect these statistics to climb by 47% in the next 5 years if emergency legislation is not enacted. What's given the rise in concern is that many of the pre 2000 computers are now being given as charitable donations to our public schools and libraries. The American Pediatric Association reported that they've seen a 57% increase in accidents being reported since 2001. If our legislaters don't act soon, we are going to see many more injuries and/or deaths of children in school related accidents. We need to do something now to protect our children&quot;

Yea, do it for the children, man! Don't know if I got my point across, but you can make up just about any bullsh1t story you want, say you heard it on the news, throw in some false statistics, and people will beleive you.

I just pulled the numbers off the CFA's report:

&quot;Between 1993 and 2001, the number of injuries caused by ATVs more than doubled to 111,700. &quot;

Again, define these injuries. Are these serious injuries? How where these statistics arrived? I bet they are bs. And, if they were correct, over a 9 year period you would be looking at 12,411 injuries a year. That's like, less that 1 billionth of 1 percent of our population. Give me a frickin break! Also, they more than doubled in this time frame than what? Than from 1993? Well, if you keep adding the average of 12,411 a year to the year previous, it would of more than doubled by 1995.

&quot;Between 1982 and 2001, at least 4,541 Americans were killed while riding ATVs. &quot;

227 a year, average. That's probably around the same number of people who spontaneously combust each year! Or choke to death on a good steak.

&quot;Between 1993 and 2001, the number of ATV-related injuries suffered by children under 16 increased 94% to 34,800. &quot;

So if I understand this correctly, in 1993 there would have been 17,938 injuries to children? If you mulitply 17,938 by 1.94, you will get roughly their number of 34,800. Are they saying that in 1993 there where 17,938 injured kids, and in the other 8 years only 16,862 injuries? Sounds like they've gone down to me. You have to have a reference point to show an increase. You can't say &quot;between 1993 and 2001&quot; that the number increased by 94% without referencing that in comparison to another 9 year period. Then, you also need to figure out, in the first 9 year period, how many ATVs were out there, compared to the second 9 year period. This statistic, like the others, is a lie, and has only enough factual basis to make is beleivable to the majority of the uniformed public.

&quot;Between 1982 and 2001, 1,714 children under age 16, including 799 under the age of 12, were killed in ATV accidents. &quot;

Again, I don't buy their stats. Besides, I bet more kids drowned in the toilet between these years than on ATV's. Guess we all need to get rid of toilets, and start sh1tting in the back yard.

Ok, so, what ATV organization is picking this up, and working on a rebuttal story? I personally don't belong to an ATV organization, but if any of you do, have you called them? Are they working on this? I will join whichever one is working on this. Yes, I can do something on my own, write my congressman, whatever, but it will take a national organization to overcome these types of attacks by organizations whose true goal is most likely to get ATV's off public land so that they can go on there once a year hiking trip.

Also, whoever works on the rebuttal, it would also be nice if something was said about how ATV's can be healthy for our forests. Since no one is allowed to log them, and keep them thinned out, mother nature has decided to burn them down. If the public land was to have fire roads cut, and made into ATV trails (you may be able to in other states, but in cali, you stay on designated trails, no fireroads at most places), the fireroads would be self maintained by the ATV community. Do ATV's harm the forest on designate trails? My @ss they do! Where I ride, the vegetation is about 6 inces off the trail. I have yet to see any mass destruction.

I gotta just send this post off or I can go on for pages. Sorry this got so long, and thanks to anyone who managed to read through it all.