Chinese Quad - Can't make it spark
#1
Hello everyone !! Brand new here, this is my first post
A friend of mine bought a 2015 TaoTao 110 quad brand new, ran it sparingly for 3 years, had electrical problems and asked if I wanted it - and I said "yes"
Sorry to hit you all with such a common problem, but it simply will NOT make spark
Here's what I've done:
(a) brand new wiring harness, and wired it up with assistance of Praska Boys Garage on Youtube
(b) switched the CDI (it's a 5 pin), 6-coil stator, and virtually every other part with extra new ones
(c) pulled the "kill-switch" wire on the CDI wiring harness to eliminate the kill switch variable
I have around 20 hours on this, between doing the work and researching this forum but I'm kinda outta options here.
Thanks in advance for any help.
A friend of mine bought a 2015 TaoTao 110 quad brand new, ran it sparingly for 3 years, had electrical problems and asked if I wanted it - and I said "yes"
Sorry to hit you all with such a common problem, but it simply will NOT make spark
Here's what I've done:
(a) brand new wiring harness, and wired it up with assistance of Praska Boys Garage on Youtube
(b) switched the CDI (it's a 5 pin), 6-coil stator, and virtually every other part with extra new ones
(c) pulled the "kill-switch" wire on the CDI wiring harness to eliminate the kill switch variable
I have around 20 hours on this, between doing the work and researching this forum but I'm kinda outta options here.
Thanks in advance for any help.
#2
Follow the "help diagnose stator" sticky at the top of this section of the forum. Resistance readings can be a bit misleading, but open circuit when there should be no or slight resistance, is bad, as is no resistance when there should be some, or an open circuit. You may have got some dud new parts, you may have incompatible new parts, flywheel sizes vary, so stator and pick up coil have to be right for your flywheel. Check everything you can, and you should find the fault.
#3
Ok that "sticky" that you referenced me to contained this entry by LynnEdwards, I just copied it and am going to place my own answers in here:
Winding 1: (Battery Charge winding) This winding is several hundred turns of wire of heavy gauge wire. It is connected to the yellow and white wires. You should measure 1 to 2 ohms between these wires. But remember that you don't need this part working for the quad to start up and run. It will run off the battery for long enough to verify the ignition system is working. If you have problems here then address them later once the quad runs. Could not get a reading on this (apparently not a big deal at this point)
Winding 2: (Ignition Trigger Pulse) This is a small winding (a pickup coil) which is mounted outside the flywheel. It tells the CDI when to fire the spark plug. One side of this coil is tied to ground. The other is usually a blue/white wire which goes to the CDI. It should measure 150 ohms or so to ground. Tested at 143 ohms
Winding 3: (AC Ignition Power) You may not have this winding if your CDI is DC powered. It consists of thousands of turns of fine gauge wire, It generates moderately high voltage (up to several hundred volts at high RPM's) to run the CDI. This winding is grounded on one side, the other side usually comes out on a Black/Red wire. If you have this winding it should measure 450 ohms to ground. Tested at 485 ohms
Measuring the resistance of these windings is quick and dirty, but not the best test. The best way to test the stator is to measure the AC voltage out of each winding while disconnected from the wiring harness and cranking the engine with the starter motor:
Winding 1: 9.5 volts AC (yellow to white wires) Tested 5.1 AC volts
Winding 2: 0.2 to 0.5 volts AC (Blue White wire to ground) Tested at 0 but my meter only goes down to 200 AC volts
Winding 3: 85 volts AC (Black/Red wire to ground) Tested at 53 AC Volts
The resistance numbers appear to be good, but the AC voltage output seems seriously short of what it should be.
Also would like to point out that I double and triple-checked all of these numbers.
Any ideas or suggestions would be be appreciated.
Winding 1: (Battery Charge winding) This winding is several hundred turns of wire of heavy gauge wire. It is connected to the yellow and white wires. You should measure 1 to 2 ohms between these wires. But remember that you don't need this part working for the quad to start up and run. It will run off the battery for long enough to verify the ignition system is working. If you have problems here then address them later once the quad runs. Could not get a reading on this (apparently not a big deal at this point)
Winding 2: (Ignition Trigger Pulse) This is a small winding (a pickup coil) which is mounted outside the flywheel. It tells the CDI when to fire the spark plug. One side of this coil is tied to ground. The other is usually a blue/white wire which goes to the CDI. It should measure 150 ohms or so to ground. Tested at 143 ohms
Winding 3: (AC Ignition Power) You may not have this winding if your CDI is DC powered. It consists of thousands of turns of fine gauge wire, It generates moderately high voltage (up to several hundred volts at high RPM's) to run the CDI. This winding is grounded on one side, the other side usually comes out on a Black/Red wire. If you have this winding it should measure 450 ohms to ground. Tested at 485 ohms
Measuring the resistance of these windings is quick and dirty, but not the best test. The best way to test the stator is to measure the AC voltage out of each winding while disconnected from the wiring harness and cranking the engine with the starter motor:
Winding 1: 9.5 volts AC (yellow to white wires) Tested 5.1 AC volts
Winding 2: 0.2 to 0.5 volts AC (Blue White wire to ground) Tested at 0 but my meter only goes down to 200 AC volts
Winding 3: 85 volts AC (Black/Red wire to ground) Tested at 53 AC Volts
The resistance numbers appear to be good, but the AC voltage output seems seriously short of what it should be.
Also would like to point out that I double and triple-checked all of these numbers.
Any ideas or suggestions would be be appreciated.
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