KinRoad Quad 200cc won't start/no spark
Jun 2, 2012 | 12:17 PM
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KinRoad Quad 200cc won't start/no spark
I have a 2007 KinRoad Quad 200cc ATV.
It was running great and then acted like it
Was flooding out and died. I smelled gas
and the air filter was flooded with gas so
I ordered a new carb, bolted it on....
Nothing!!! pulled plug and no spark so..
I ordered I new coil, CDI box, and plug.
After installing, turned key.. Nothing, still
No spark. So I ordered a new 12 coil stator
and just knew this would fix it, still nothing.
I just checked all my wire connections
and found 2 pins in one of my connectors
wasn't fully seated so fixed that, still nothing,
No spark!!! Help!!! I don't have a wiring diagram
For a Chinese ATV so no sure what else to do,
felling really stupid right now!!!!!
I have a fluke muli meter but not the best
at using it and not sure about where to check and
what input/output values should be coming
from from engine (CG200cc)
It was running great and then acted like it
Was flooding out and died. I smelled gas
and the air filter was flooded with gas so
I ordered a new carb, bolted it on....
Nothing!!! pulled plug and no spark so..
I ordered I new coil, CDI box, and plug.
After installing, turned key.. Nothing, still
No spark. So I ordered a new 12 coil stator
and just knew this would fix it, still nothing.
I just checked all my wire connections
and found 2 pins in one of my connectors
wasn't fully seated so fixed that, still nothing,
No spark!!! Help!!! I don't have a wiring diagram
For a Chinese ATV so no sure what else to do,
felling really stupid right now!!!!!
I have a fluke muli meter but not the best
at using it and not sure about where to check and
what input/output values should be coming
from from engine (CG200cc)
Jun 2, 2012 | 02:02 PM
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well first of all welcome to the forums. 2nd of all, at least you have a bunch of spare parts. have you replaced the spark plug with the NGK brand or whatever brand you prefer? usually the "factory" plug doesn't last long. when you throw parts at the quad, that's like throwing the same parts at your car. it's just these parts are cheaper. 
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the multimeter will help you out. i've replied to some of desjardins' posts with some youtube videos on how to use a multimeter on various parts. LynnEdwards has a lot of excellent write ups on different posts about testing this circuits that'll help. but by the way it sounds, you have a loose connection somewhere. and by the way, your carb flooding issue is due to a stuck float/needle valve. disassemble the carb and it's an easy fix. holler back.
. the multimeter will help you out. i've replied to some of desjardins' posts with some youtube videos on how to use a multimeter on various parts. LynnEdwards has a lot of excellent write ups on different posts about testing this circuits that'll help. but by the way it sounds, you have a loose connection somewhere. and by the way, your carb flooding issue is due to a stuck float/needle valve. disassemble the carb and it's an easy fix. holler back.
Jun 2, 2012 | 02:53 PM
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Jaster94, just got back from parts store
and bought a new NGK plug just to make
sure engine has a fresh plug, turned key,
ground plug against head, No Spark.
I rechecked all 8 connectors on my bike
and everything is seated in place, all pins
are solidly snapped into place, still nothing.
anyone got any ideas???
Using my circuit tester, I did get a glow
coming from the Stator so I know it's putting
put fire, would give anything to have a
Electrical diagram of this Chinese ATV.
and bought a new NGK plug just to make
sure engine has a fresh plug, turned key,
ground plug against head, No Spark.
I rechecked all 8 connectors on my bike
and everything is seated in place, all pins
are solidly snapped into place, still nothing.
anyone got any ideas???
Using my circuit tester, I did get a glow
coming from the Stator so I know it's putting
put fire, would give anything to have a
Electrical diagram of this Chinese ATV.
Jun 2, 2012 | 04:20 PM
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hey, do you have an owner's manual? if not, give these folks a shout and see if this owner's manual has a wiring diagram in it.
Kinroad Xt-200 200cc Chinese Atv Owners Manual - Om-kinxt-200 - Kinroad Owners Manuals - Chinese Owners Manuals - In Stock at
i can't find anything on the net either!
Kinroad Xt-200 200cc Chinese Atv Owners Manual - Om-kinxt-200 - Kinroad Owners Manuals - Chinese Owners Manuals - In Stock at
i can't find anything on the net either!
Jun 2, 2012 | 11:18 PM
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I'm assuming you have a 6 pin CDI that looks like the picture in the procedure below.
The first thing is to determine if you have a DC or AC powered CDI. Theynlook identical wo you need a meter to figure it out. Here is the generic procedure:
Once we determine which type CDI you have then we look at all the CDI inputs (power, trigger and kill) and see if they are working. Then measure the output voltage of the CDI to the coil. The procedure for doing this is different depending on what style CDI you have.
You need a meter to do this. That "circuit tester" isn't going to cut the mustard.
The first thing is to determine if you have a DC or AC powered CDI. Theynlook identical wo you need a meter to figure it out. Here is the generic procedure:
The 2 plug 6 wire CDIs come in two different designs. One is powered off 12 volts DC, and the other is powered off a moderately high voltage AC which comes from the stator. Unfortunately there is no reliable way to tell the difference between the two by just looking at them. To be sure you need to use a meter to find out which you have:
1) Unplug the CDI, and turn on the ignition. Do not crank the starter motor. Use a meter to measure the *DC* voltage on the pin labeled "AC ignition power" in the wiring harness to both ground pins in the 4 pin CDI connector. If you measure 12 volts DC then you have a DC powered CDI.
2) If you don't measure 12 volts DC on the ignition power pin, then switch the meter over to measure AC volts on the 200 volt scale. While cranking the starter motor, measure the AC voltage on the "AC Ignition Power" pin to the the Ground pin. You should see 40 to 80 volts AC. If you measure AC voltage when the starter is turning then you have an AC powered CDI.
Using a meter is the only 100% reliable way to figure out if your CDI is AC or DC powered. But there are some clues you can use that are usually (but not always) correct:
A) DC CDIs tend to be a little larger than their AC powered counterpart. This is because the DC powered CDI needs a bunch more circuitry to convert the 12 volts DC to the moderately high voltage supply that all CDIs must have.
B) Most (but not all) DC powered quad ignition systems do not use the kill switch input pin. The CDI connector pin usually has no wire tied to it. AC powered quad ignition systems usually do use the kill switch input pin.
1) Unplug the CDI, and turn on the ignition. Do not crank the starter motor. Use a meter to measure the *DC* voltage on the pin labeled "AC ignition power" in the wiring harness to both ground pins in the 4 pin CDI connector. If you measure 12 volts DC then you have a DC powered CDI.
2) If you don't measure 12 volts DC on the ignition power pin, then switch the meter over to measure AC volts on the 200 volt scale. While cranking the starter motor, measure the AC voltage on the "AC Ignition Power" pin to the the Ground pin. You should see 40 to 80 volts AC. If you measure AC voltage when the starter is turning then you have an AC powered CDI.
Using a meter is the only 100% reliable way to figure out if your CDI is AC or DC powered. But there are some clues you can use that are usually (but not always) correct:
A) DC CDIs tend to be a little larger than their AC powered counterpart. This is because the DC powered CDI needs a bunch more circuitry to convert the 12 volts DC to the moderately high voltage supply that all CDIs must have.
B) Most (but not all) DC powered quad ignition systems do not use the kill switch input pin. The CDI connector pin usually has no wire tied to it. AC powered quad ignition systems usually do use the kill switch input pin.
You need a meter to do this. That "circuit tester" isn't going to cut the mustard.
Jun 3, 2012 | 06:43 PM
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Hey Lynn!! Thanks Soo much!!! I have a DC CDI system.
My CDI connectors only have 5 wires because I don't
Have a kill switch. Yesterday, I was frustrated and got my
Multi meter out and started check my stator and CDI to see
If I had anything and ended up burning up my CDI.
Errrr!!! After seeing the smoke, I started looking for damage.
I thought I may have burnt up my Stator so I pulled the cover
Back off to check it and looked great. Then checked CDI again
and found a hole burnt thru the back, it was a stupid mistake
on my part checking wires and talking to wife at the
same time, I think I hit the ground side of the CDI with
The positive side of meter. Felt real stupid after that.
I have a back up CDI that I'm going to use but first,
I need to know if it's normal to have some oil seeping
Inside the cover where my Stator is, after double checking
my Stator, noticed there was light oil seeping out, will that damage
my Stator?? Is that Normal??
My CDI connectors only have 5 wires because I don't
Have a kill switch. Yesterday, I was frustrated and got my
Multi meter out and started check my stator and CDI to see
If I had anything and ended up burning up my CDI.
Errrr!!! After seeing the smoke, I started looking for damage.
I thought I may have burnt up my Stator so I pulled the cover
Back off to check it and looked great. Then checked CDI again
and found a hole burnt thru the back, it was a stupid mistake
on my part checking wires and talking to wife at the
same time, I think I hit the ground side of the CDI with
The positive side of meter. Felt real stupid after that.
I have a back up CDI that I'm going to use but first,
I need to know if it's normal to have some oil seeping
Inside the cover where my Stator is, after double checking
my Stator, noticed there was light oil seeping out, will that damage
my Stator?? Is that Normal??
Jun 4, 2012 | 06:52 PM
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Does anyone know if its normal to have light
Oil seeping Inside the case where the stator is at?????
From what I can see, it looks like there
are factory holes back inside there where
the oil is coming from, Need to know for
sure so I can reseal up the engine case
so I can go back to trouble shooting.
Thanks, Larry
Oil seeping Inside the case where the stator is at?????
From what I can see, it looks like there
are factory holes back inside there where
the oil is coming from, Need to know for
sure so I can reseal up the engine case
so I can go back to trouble shooting.
Thanks, Larry
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Jun 4, 2012 | 11:14 PM
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...I have a DC CDI system.
My CDI connectors only have 5 wires because I don't
Have a kill switch. Yesterday, I was frustrated and got my
Multi meter out and started check my stator and CDI to see
If I had anything and ended up burning up my CDI.
Errrr!!! After seeing the smoke, I started looking for damage.
I thought I may have burnt up my Stator so I pulled the cover
Back off to check it and looked great. Then checked CDI again
and found a hole burnt thru the back, it was a stupid mistake
on my part checking wires and talking to wife at the
same time, I think I hit the ground side of the CDI with
The positive side of meter.....
My CDI connectors only have 5 wires because I don't
Have a kill switch. Yesterday, I was frustrated and got my
Multi meter out and started check my stator and CDI to see
If I had anything and ended up burning up my CDI.
Errrr!!! After seeing the smoke, I started looking for damage.
I thought I may have burnt up my Stator so I pulled the cover
Back off to check it and looked great. Then checked CDI again
and found a hole burnt thru the back, it was a stupid mistake
on my part checking wires and talking to wife at the
same time, I think I hit the ground side of the CDI with
The positive side of meter.....
Was this CDI ever plugged in before? Or did it smoke when powered up for the first time? Are you sure you got the right CDI? If you plug an AC powered CDI into a DC powered quad the classic symptom is a loud bang, followed by a fresh new hole in the CDI.
I don't know the answer for your quad. There are some chinese quads with stators that have small passageways to allow to get in there.
Jun 5, 2012 | 09:11 PM
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****UPDATE*****. After getting the stator case
Back together, hooking everything back up,
I spent a little time looking at my ground
Wires.... The ground cable at the battery was
Rough so I cut it off, recrimmped a new terminal
On the ground wire, hooked up the battery,
Then the ground that's connected at the case
Was removed, cleaned off the factory power coating
To get a good ground, reconnected the engine
Ground wire, turned key, POW!!! Now I have FIRE!!
Reinstalled the plug and she started right up.
So... My main problem (I think) during this whole
Time was a ground problem...
I did learn alot thru this experience and would like
To thank everyone for your help!!!
))
"Lynn Edwards" Id like to know if you have a wiring
Diagram for my Quad??? I found the wiring layout
Online thru KinRoad but the quality was so bad
That I couldn't make out a single word or anything.
I did learn that I do have a DC Volt CDI system on
My Quad!!!)). Thanks Guys for all your help!!
Back together, hooking everything back up,
I spent a little time looking at my ground
Wires.... The ground cable at the battery was
Rough so I cut it off, recrimmped a new terminal
On the ground wire, hooked up the battery,
Then the ground that's connected at the case
Was removed, cleaned off the factory power coating
To get a good ground, reconnected the engine
Ground wire, turned key, POW!!! Now I have FIRE!!
Reinstalled the plug and she started right up.
So... My main problem (I think) during this whole
Time was a ground problem...
I did learn alot thru this experience and would like
To thank everyone for your help!!!
))"Lynn Edwards" Id like to know if you have a wiring
Diagram for my Quad??? I found the wiring layout
Online thru KinRoad but the quality was so bad
That I couldn't make out a single word or anything.
I did learn that I do have a DC Volt CDI system on
My Quad!!!
)). Thanks Guys for all your help!!
Jun 5, 2012 | 11:42 PM
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I don't have a wiring diagram for your quad. I have bunches of wiring diagrams for chinese quads but not for Kinroad.
I just use these diagrams as a guideline for how quads are wired. After looking at dozens of them I see similarity. Each section (ignition system, battery charging system, lighting system, etc.) can only be wired a few different ways, and after a while you've pretty much seen them all. By doing some measurements you can usually figure out which way any particular section on your quad is wired up and go from there.
But be aware that published wiring diagrams are often riddled with errors. It's not just that they are down revision. The diagram shows them hooked up in ways that cannot possibly work. So having a published wire diagram is no guarantee that you have the correct documentation...
I just use these diagrams as a guideline for how quads are wired. After looking at dozens of them I see similarity. Each section (ignition system, battery charging system, lighting system, etc.) can only be wired a few different ways, and after a while you've pretty much seen them all. By doing some measurements you can usually figure out which way any particular section on your quad is wired up and go from there.
But be aware that published wiring diagrams are often riddled with errors. It's not just that they are down revision. The diagram shows them hooked up in ways that cannot possibly work. So having a published wire diagram is no guarantee that you have the correct documentation...
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