Thanks to those who have helped me on my decision, I picked up my new mahcine this weekend at the local dealer. i got a great deal as well. i got the '03 kodiak 450, in camo, for 5795.00 plus 10.00 processing fee. total cost was 5810.00. not bad huh? so far i really like this machine. its must faster than my Big Bear was, i am starting to get used to the auto trans, and the engine breaking is incredible. Thanks again to those who helped me make my decision.