yeah definately green im sorry i didnt mean to take over your thread. imo to each his own so not everyone has to like pipes but there not hurting anyone so imo just leave them alone. theres alot worse things that come with atving than a pipe. i love to ride and i mind my own business. yeah ive heard pipes that make me cringe but there usually on race atvs or 2 stroke sleds dirt bikes etc. anyways im not going to beat a dead horse on this.