Lurch I totally agree with what you had written for the classes minus a listing for the problem with the youth classes. I think that the youth cc limits may be a problem. There are more 125cc quads and engines being released by the day. I also have to state that even though the ages are only an agreement to follow, we do not want the CSC coming back in and giving bad publicity for a 70# 12 YO who was racing a bike too big for him to handle. There are a lot of problems with the ATV Industry and until we have a time & place to speak out with big cohooneys to the manufacturers and insurance companies, then we will be stuck with an age limit. They have to listen sooner or later.

The listing of not placeing cc restrictions on classes would not work for the whole National series. On MX tracks you will not see that much of a difference, but when you run those same motor displacements against each other in a TT Event, I think that there will be a noticeable difference.

I do believe that a questionere given through every piece of media would help solve the problems we have. Let the whole Community decide. Put the questionere out in Magazines and over the Internet and see what the responses would be. To ask maybe 30 or 40 people would not go over very well with the rest of the racers and supporters of the ATV community.

I think that is probably the best way to solve the problem here! And to say that one style or region of racing will be the same as the other is also false. To race in the sand with an open displacement will not show how much advantage a person will have as compared to a hard packed clay track.


Just some opinions!

Rick Frisco

 

Tprender – I agree with the XC and MX being completely different. I think there should be separate rules for each. They are two totally different types of racing. I think the same holds true for MX and TT. A for local series, they should run the same classes as the nationals. I know for the smaller series, it will be difficult, but eventually the sport will grow. Look at our series in New England. We have up to 300 quad racers and grow every year, and all this after only 3 years!

Also, you can only make the classes on what is currently made. But I think the constant changing of the cc limit is getting too much. At least in my opinion.

MrP – I may head down to watch (maybe race) the Maryland race. Other than that the closest one is Mt Morris and that is an 8 hour one way trip. I am 30 years old with a family, so traveling all over the east coast for the races is simply not an option. And I would much rather line up against different quads, then only line up against the same brand.

RemNS – You are right, until things change I am afraid we will be stuck with the current limits. I have a 7 year old son that is in need of a quad. I have been looking at all the options for the last year and a half. Nothing is out there that has what I want. Not to mention, he has shown an interest in racing with dear old dad. But then I would be limited to getting a 50cc quad which is already too small and way under suspended (for safety) on a track. But I digress…As for the CSPS, I won’t even go there.

Change is needed and I hope the decisions are made with the sport in mind. Not the 20 something pros that race, or some expired agreement, or the manufacturers.

 

ok i quit.........u all have it out....and let me know if anything actually gets changed.

 

I think MrP's suggestions were the best. I agree with his idea 100% and think that is what the classes should be next year! They are 100% fair.

matt

 

Personaly, the class I would be most interested in is STOCK with only aftermarket shock no rebound or compression adjustablility allowed. This would allow for most of us working Joe's to compete on the track not at the bank. I don't care what the Pros do I'm not spending 20,000 on a quad.

I was at Glen Helan My first race, with a stock 400EX e-series pipe and got wasted by highly modified bikes. I'm not going to spend that kind of money to play. I'm 39 so I not out to get a national sponser, just wanted to see what me and my bike could do.

I am looking to start racing in some form or manner and whatever it is it will be a stock class.

Smitty

 

The pro class needs to only allow production quads in it. Thats right no more aftermarket frams. No motorcycle engines. Everyone knows they are the thing holding the sport back. As long as the rules stay as they are the sport will never grow to it fullist. Yamaha and honda will not put the crf or yzf in a quad until the rule is changed. Those rules where made in the early 90's when there where no good production quads. Now we have the 400ex, Cannondals, and the z400. Those quads need to be the ones winning pro race to bring the factory teams in. If production quads where winning companys would be forced to improve there quads every year like the bikes. This must happen now becoues quad sales are growing and the sport is to. The atva needs to acked fast before its to late.

 

Boy I'd hate to watch NASCAR with all stock frames. If your running PRO who cares that the small end of the market. It's the weekenders that buy all of the quads and if they had a plave and a class to race that doesn't kill their wallet they will come.

Smitty

 

What if I want to race my FatCat?

 

does NASCAR sell cars much anymore? not really, the 'win on sunday sell on monday' theory does not apply to nascar anymore... you can't buy those cars off the showroom floor at all. what does NASCAR have to do with ATV racing anyways?
they've had to limit the crap out of it to make it 'fair', to the point of brand specific rules, and they all try to cheat. but that 'win on sunday...' thoery does apply to quads to a degree.... it makes ya wonder why the guy on brand X is winning and the guy on brand Y isn't.

ATV racing is not NASCAR. although, some things from it and other racing forms may be helpful in making decisions... as to what works to bring more racers in, more sponsors, and more spectators... and what will not

while i think that changing CC limits needs to cease.... constant rule changes only makes it a nightmare for everyone and increases cost, driving possible newcomers away..... but at the same time rule changes are necessary to meet the demands of both the market and the racers to make competition fair.... similar capability machines should face-off together, making it more rider skill than machine capability.

i still think that the 440 rule was set up for and in behalf of cannondale... why wasn't it set at 450 like the bike classes... say by a mathematical formula? unfortunately CC limit rules can favor one brand over another in a big way.
in both MX and CC, i think a production class is a good thing to see all the production quads battle it out with good riders riding them. a stock class where a *very* limited number of mods allowed would also be good(reducing racer cost), and pitting very close to stock bikes against each other..... but how many racers would actually ride in it? is it one seperation too many? would factory teams start backing either of these classes up?

i've seen both sanctioned and non-sanctioned MX races here locally. some tracks its hard to get one class of quads, much less seperate into many, due to many reasons(i believe). but at one local non-sanctioned track, they have a seperate series for quads & vintage bikes starting this year on saturday nights, with as many quad classes as you can imagine. since the WORCS series just allowed quads this year, they just have amateur & pro ATV classes, but it will grow and eventually seperate into more classes.

another 2 cents.

 

tprender,

in responce to your post where you said;
"I like some of the ideas that have been listed so far, but what if a person puts a 350X engine in a 250R frame. Should that be in your "sportmans class"?"

In my post previous to that I had kinda covered that by saying that the types of quads could be designated to keep that from happening. That is what the GNCC is doing. The rule also should state that the frame and engine must match from the production model.(no engine swaps) While all classes from HS/XC racing may not work in MX, most will and the present ruling for the sportsman class in the GNCC(with very slight rewording) is perfect for MX as well. I also think that stock type classes will work in MX. The stock class in the GNCC is really not sock, you can change frt shocks, tires, handlebars and some other stuff as long as the frame and motor are stock. A stock class in mx that allows some suspension mods would work.