<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: zorro700

If you don't want risk, then sell your atv. You do goodin hypocrite liars on here kill me. Not one person on this board has never ridden double so quit preaching. BTW can ANYONE say they have never KNOWINGLY drove over the speed limit?........Gotcha!!!!!!!!!!!</end quote></div>

Can anyone honestly say the bought a 700 cc quad and only "putted around" on it?

Got who????

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: JustRandy

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: hellyeh



<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: JustRandy







Retort to what??? He hasn't said anything!















Btw, nice pic of you doing a wheelie with your 6 yr old nephew on the back of that quad. I'm sure that pic is a "poster of safety" and doesn't feed any ammo to whomever it is that thinks they can outlaw quads.. LOL. But hey, at least you have helmets on.... eh? [IMG][/IMG]</end quote></div>







Thanks . [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif" border="0[/IMG] Of course to someone who doesn't notice details , and wasn't there to ACTUALLY see what took place , it may appear as unsafe . Might i point out that the quad is in no danger of flipping over for several reasons , 1: The rear bumper is installed to prevent that very thing in which you first judged , it cannot tip over ! 2: A quick tap of the throttle and the clutch setup i had in there would allow the front end to come up at will , and by applying the rear brake at the right moment , causes the machine to balance , and simple adjustments with gas and brake facilitate this manouever in a perfectly safe manner at less than walking pace . 3: I am a skilled rider who has been riding since i was 6 myself , and feel confident in my abilities to the point that i would feel ABSOLUTELY NO DANGER in placing him in that situation .</end quote></div>



I think someone could argue the nephew could fall off the back. I don't know. Really its none of my business.



So, I assume you are NOT in favor of passing a law against riding double? How do you feel about a helmet law? Since you are skilled enough to ride with a youngen on the back like that, can you also ride confidently w/o a helmet? Or do you need to be told by the government how to ride?</end quote></div>

One could argue that the nephew could fall off the back , sure , but i'm telling you that there is NO DANGER there whatsoever . People can argue whatever the hell they want , it's called difference of opinion . One person's opinion is no more valuable than the others , unless the facts are presented to boost the validity of one opinion . You are correct , IT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS !!

I'm NOT in favour of passing laws against riding double , but unfortunately there are people who exist that NEED laws to protect the rest of us from THEM . I am a staunch supporter of riding with a helmet on , as i have been involved in a freak accident that had it not been for a helmet , one of my best friends would be dead .

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: xFreebirdx

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: JustRandy



<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: mywifesquad







<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: JustRandy















Not true! If I get killed on a quad, how will your life change? What? They gonna make you wear a helmet? LOL, don't you already? They're not going to outlaw quads,,, they bring in too much money. Just like they can't outlaw cars or motorcycles. The root problem is people trying to imposse their will on others in the name of safety.







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Are you old enough to remember 3 wheelers (ATC's)?















Exactly what you are doing is the reason ATC's are gone. Quads most definitely could be next.















I cant wait to see the 6 wheel even safer atv they have to come up with next. [IMG][/IMG][IMG][/IMG]</end quote></div>







As far as I understand it, the manufacturers agreed to stop making atcs because 1) quads were selling better. 2) Legal crap. It has never been illegal to make and market an atc to my knowledge. And I think the agreement expired 10yrs ago anyway. So, whats stopping them from making them now? No market for them is what. Its just not at all likely we will ever see quads banned from manufacture or sale in the US in our lifetimes. I'm 35 btw. We may see the states cracking down on riding on public land due to environmental issues, but not safety issues. Here in GA, the state maintains trails just for atv's (including atc's). They routinely remove rocks, logs, and make jumps for tax payers to enjoy. I hardly thing the state will turn around and stop doing that anytime soon. They may start charging admission,,, and then helmet requirements may follow for insurance purposes though. Of course that will also take care of riding double and you may even have to have safety checks and buy stickers before riding. Who knows.... Everybody will just ride somewhere else if it gets too untolerable. You'd be hard pressed to find a homeowned that didn't have a quad stuffed in his garage around here. Too many people to hold back.</end quote></div>





ATC's were banned because of the amount of injuries and deaths that occurred on them. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif" border="0[/IMG]</end quote></div>


ATC's were never banned. ATV manufacturers agreed not to market them in the US anymore. They basically said, "we'll stop selling them in the US if you don't sue us." http://www.files.3wheelerworld...s1988NoMoreTrikes.jpg


I'm pretty sure the agreement ended in 1998.

Quads were outselling ATC's anyway, so it was no skin off the manufacturer's nose. Didn't need a law and there never was a law saying not to ride an ATC.... People are smart enough on their own to figure out they'd rather have a quad.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: JustRandy

Didn't need a law and there never was a law saying not to ride an ATC.... People are smart enough on their own to figure out they'd rather have a quad.</end quote></div>

Nice avatar. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: hellyeh

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: JustRandy



<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: hellyeh







<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: JustRandy















You know,,, I don't think anyone can argue a helmet law issue with me as long as they have pictures on their bio of people on quads NOT wearing a helmet! WTF? Furthermore, I don't think anyone has any credibility to preach about "quad safety" when 90% of the pics on their bio are of them doing wheelies, burnouts, flipping over backwards, and performing dangerous stunts with children.... Regardless of riding gear. Just can't listen to hypocritical double talk. But I'm not pointing any fingers.































How's that for a retort?</end quote></div>















Why do you think i am arguing a helmet law with you , i never said anything to that effect ?[IMG][/IMG]















Preaching about quad safety ?! Seriously dude , are you arguing with your shadow ? Put down the crack pipe . As far as credibility goes , maybe you should pay a little more attention to the facts presented to you before you go picking a fight with someone who placed a random comment on a thread . If you're looking for someone to argue with just for the sake of having nothing else to do , look somewhere else .</end quote></div>







Then what did you mean by, "Go ahead and comment , I'd like to hear what you have to say in retort . " ??? I must have took it wrong,,, my apologies.... sorry. I guess I was swinging at anyone who stepped in the circle, lol.







But that wasn't just directed at you. Anybody who wants to argue in favor of a helmet law, better have pics that show helmets on anyone sitting on a quad or at least helmets in their laps or the hypocritical flag starts waving. Same thing with the riding double business. And anyone who points out "we need to set a good example" should also take their own medicine.







Again, sorry I took your comment wrong.</end quote></div>



What i meant is exactly what i said , i wanted to hear your reply to MWQ for what he said . Clearly you were just looking to take a swing at anyone who stepped in the ring !! If you are implying that my pics show anyone without helmets on , you need to take a closer look .



Apology accepted , if it indeed is just more than words .</end quote></div>


It was a simple misunderstanding. It sounded to me like you were backing any character attack by MWQ.

I don't know why these online debates always degrade to a brothel of name calling and character attacks in an effort to spin off the subject. My comment would have been in reference to someone losing an argument and resorting to childish behavior because they can't get their way. I've put on the board several points that could be discussed, but instead the commenters here would rather make comments about my age or mental development or whatever else so long as it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: hellyeh
I'm NOT in favour of passing laws against riding double , but unfortunately there are people who exist that NEED laws to protect the rest of us from THEM . I am a staunch supporter of riding with a helmet on , as i have been involved in a freak accident that had it not been for a helmet , one of my best friends would be dead .</end quote></div>

Yes, but do we need a helmet law? How is a helmet law or a riding double law going to protect us from the rest of THEM?

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Scootergptx

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: JustRandy



Didn't need a law and there never was a law saying not to ride an ATC.... People are smart enough on their own to figure out they'd rather have a quad.</end quote></div>



Nice avatar. [img][/img]</end quote></div>


Thanks!

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Scootergptx

Shame on me for not putting a helmet on the kiddo while riding the power wheels. But hey, in New Hampshire, that's ok. [img][/img]

I don't think anyone here is pointing fingers, well at you anyway.</end quote></div>

But you're not in NH,,, and you're a supporter of mandatory helmet use... and, if I'm not mistaken, you think everyone that rides w/o a helmet is stupid... or no?

Yeah,,, not only that, but there's a pic of you and Hannah riding double AND w/o helmets. The pic appears to me to be more than just posing on the quad for a picture. But, I'm sure you'll say that's all it was... [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-disgusted.gif[/img]

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: hellyeh

I'm NOT in favour of passing laws against riding double , but unfortunately there are people who exist that NEED laws to protect the rest of us from THEM.</end quote></div>

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.
Law of nature: only the strong survive.
Stop protecting the weak and let natural selection
thin the heard.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: zorro700

If you don't want risk, then sell your atv. You do goodin hypocrite liars on here kill me. Not one person on this board has never ridden double so quit preaching. BTW can ANYONE say they have never KNOWINGLY drove over the speed limit?........Gotcha!!!!!!!!!!!</end quote></div>

If you can't figure it out, I'm truely sorry but, it's not my fault you didn't graduate from 6th grade. LOL!