Note from ATVBBS:

Text deleted for violating Forum guidelines; inappropriate language and personal attack.

atvbbs

 

First of all I am interested in the DS..That is why I view this board and I just wanted to say that is pretty sad that you have to regress and complain about spelling. Then you start personally attacking me. Then you get your post deleted by the BBS. real mature

Grow up

 

From the looks of you guys forum I don't think you have the right to say so long to Yamaha. DS IS A LEMON,DS PROBLEMS. Sounds to me like you guys need to be fixing those problems. And besides who is Bombardier anyway. They have a whooping 2 ATVs on the market and they both are very expensive. At least Yamaha and Honda have more choices at a reasonable price. And plus it doesn't matter how fast you go or how well it works. As long as you are having fun it doesn't matter. But for me I will stick to my Warrior. Long Live The Kings Of ATVs. YAMAHA.

 

I apologize. kumbaya my lord kumbaya,come on all you honda, kaw, suz,pol,and rokon riders, let the healing begin.

 

Ummmm, where have you been? The 400R motor is what the 400EX is based off of.

Also, a $25,000 custom XR600 quad was only able to beat a stock DS650 on a motorcross track by one second (1:21 compared to 1:22). The highly modified 250R only beat the DS by two seconds. These were best times with equivelant riders.

This was a motorcross track! Not a drag race for all the folks claiming that the DS is "too heavy".

Imagine how different it would be if the DS was modified to the same $ levels. Chromoly frame, trailing arm, a-arms, and engine mods for motorcross style tracks. The 250R and XR600 would be eating serious dust.

Laters,
CRT_Leech

 

:-)

 

Better do a little research before laying into someone.... The 400R he is talking about is the experimental 400cc 2-stroke Honda has been working on.

As far as track times, those were single lap times, the weight factor will show up in fatigue over a period of time and the ability to correct the bike when things go awry. The magazine themselves also said that particular track favored the DS, being big and open.

Another thing to keep in mind on the racing stuff: is a CR500 better than a CR250? Not necessarily at all. Do they race against each other in the same class? No.

 

Ahh, that thing. I was thinking along the lines of the XR400R.

As far as the track times go, those were the best times of several laps for each quad. They didn't say that the track was better for the DS, they said that the track conditions were better for four strokes instead of two strokes and that was a traction issue, not the layout of the track. That 250R had about the same power to weight ratio, so it should be able to go as fast on a wide-open track as the DS.

Since you have more suspension, the DS would not necessarily fatigue you more, you would have less fatigue, since you are not getting bashed around and you can power your way out of situations that the other bikes might not be able to. I can ride the DS a lot longer than my 350X, which has as much suspension as a 400EX, and it is lighter than the 400EX. Yea, I am aware that the 350X is a three wheeler. So what. Since I don't own a 400EX and I doubt that I ever will own one, that is the closest I have to compare to it, besides a Mojave, which isn't a comparison. The Mojave is comparable to a 200X.

CRT_Leech

 

Indeed you are right about extra power, it can help in a lot of situations. OTOH, it, itself can cause fatigue and get you in trouble (I'd still rather have it than not though). It seemed like the article that I read said something about track layout, I may be mistaken though, I don't put too much time or faith in the mags.

The suspension helps, but really isn't everything when it comes to fatigue factor. Muscling around the weight is what will cause fatigue. Keeping in mind that there are vast differences in suspension. Point in case, I can assure you that although my TCS shocks don't have as much travel as the DS, they are vastly superior. If you don't believe me, you really need to ride a set, they're absolutely amazing.

If you are of the mindset that the 400EX and 350X suspensions are similar, you are profoundly mistaken. The ATC250R's long travel suspension is far superior to the ATC350X's smaller diameter fork tubes and linkless rear, and has actually more suspension travel than the 400EX. The ATC250R's suspension still pales in comparison to the 400EX though.

The 350X is a most excellent trail bike (my preferred ride in the trails), not much of a motocrosser or jumper in stock form.

Here's a good example. These results are what changed me from a 3-wheeler and dirtbike only, anti-quad guy, to the owner of an EX. At our private practice track, I can put in about 3 hard laps on my ATC250R before becoming fatigued, although my 250R is much more powerful than my 400EX, my times will on average be 2 or 3 seconds slower, lap times of about a minute. When my EX was stock, I could put in 10 laps without any problem. The 3 wheeler just demands more english, hence fatigues the rider more. Jumping is about the same on both bikes, The EX feels much lighter than it is, the 250R is light. I probably feel a touch more confident getting the really big air on the 400EX.

Again, you really need to ride an EX, just to educate yourself. The power may leave you wanting more (especially after spending time on your DS), but I don't think you would be very disappointed with the handling, expecially when jumping and going thru the rough really fast. Keep in mind that the EX's speed is deceptive. You don't think you are going as fast as you are.

Too bad we live so far away, we could swap for a while and no doubt both have a quite enjoyable ride....

 

oh boy, I can't wait until the new honda and yamas come out, oh the dust is going to raise!