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#11
I think people forget, but this is some of what he wrote on anther post:
UPRJOE"......The bike had transfered so much weight on the front under ( light braking ) that at recommended 7psi. the tire popped off the bead and stuffed the rim and shot me off like a
slingshot and just in time I looked back and the bike landed on me I ha just barely been able to get my arm up to block my head from getting crushed badly. The bike never
even hit the top side except for when the racks tried to meat tenderize me. By the time I got up had pinched my leg very bad and my head was scratched and little cuts with
an egg the size of the elephant man.
I walked over to the bike saw the wheels were towed out an the bead was off, I then rode it home very slow in massive amounts of pain. I am contacting my attorney to have
him contact the (NSC) National Safety Council. This bike is unsafe and lots of people will get hurt, just like the brute with the a-arm problems the repair was easy. But for
the Outlander 800 this bike will hav to be recalled an get a real frame, an A-arms, along with a drive system that will handle the power. Because the current setup is not even
close. The more I rode it the more the belt slipped an the less responsive it was."
Daranello75- 7psi, when its says on the fender 4.5psi (maybe thats why the bead came off) As you said it yourself, the bead coming off made you have the crash, the part on the A arm only broke after your accident
also with most ATV's something will break when you crash then and roll them at 40-50mph (as you said in your other posts). Like I said before, show me someone that broke that part under hard riding condition (no major crashed and I'll believe it).
Why don't you show us the damage pixs off the bike after the crash?? or is that BS also????
UPRJOE"......The bike had transfered so much weight on the front under ( light braking ) that at recommended 7psi. the tire popped off the bead and stuffed the rim and shot me off like a
slingshot and just in time I looked back and the bike landed on me I ha just barely been able to get my arm up to block my head from getting crushed badly. The bike never
even hit the top side except for when the racks tried to meat tenderize me. By the time I got up had pinched my leg very bad and my head was scratched and little cuts with
an egg the size of the elephant man.
I walked over to the bike saw the wheels were towed out an the bead was off, I then rode it home very slow in massive amounts of pain. I am contacting my attorney to have
him contact the (NSC) National Safety Council. This bike is unsafe and lots of people will get hurt, just like the brute with the a-arm problems the repair was easy. But for
the Outlander 800 this bike will hav to be recalled an get a real frame, an A-arms, along with a drive system that will handle the power. Because the current setup is not even
close. The more I rode it the more the belt slipped an the less responsive it was."
Daranello75- 7psi, when its says on the fender 4.5psi (maybe thats why the bead came off) As you said it yourself, the bead coming off made you have the crash, the part on the A arm only broke after your accident
also with most ATV's something will break when you crash then and roll them at 40-50mph (as you said in your other posts). Like I said before, show me someone that broke that part under hard riding condition (no major crashed and I'll believe it).
Why don't you show us the damage pixs off the bike after the crash?? or is that BS also????
#12
i went to but an 800 this wkend and had read his earlier post from last wk and i am now
waiting a few months, he could be on to something(probably not). it is worth looking into
and yes-- his crash description sounds like an exagerrated peice of bull, and if he was running 7 p.s.i then he was at fault...but still needs looking into..
just a thought
waiting a few months, he could be on to something(probably not). it is worth looking into
and yes-- his crash description sounds like an exagerrated peice of bull, and if he was running 7 p.s.i then he was at fault...but still needs looking into..
just a thought
#13
I'm not sure where to start with this one. This is the wierdest thread I've ever read. Can't make heads or tails with all the edits.
First of all why someone would remove the a-arm for no reason other than to "test it's strength?" is beyond me asking.
Something is not right here.
Secondly, the tabs you are bending work with other parts to become very strong and back and forth is no longer an issue. There is something that goes between those tabs or they go on the outside of something. They are not hanging out by themselves ready to get bent. YES, WHEN YOU TAKE A PAIR OF PLIERS TO THEM, THEY WILL BEND! DUH!!
Let me take a pair of pliers to your nutz and see if they pop. That's what you are, nutz! Ralph Nader ?? WTF??
You sound like this is your first machine and you don't know how to ride and you crashed your brand new $10,000 toy that you just runied the 3 year warranty by putting a snorkel kit on it and your mad because you want your money back.
Well Boo Hoo Hoo.
I am glad you are okay from the crash, but take it easy on Bombardier.
I own and put my DS 650 through some serious abuse and my tabs are the same thickness. But they work together with other parts. Your video is mis-leading. Let me tell you, when you crash, somethings going to give. When I crashed my front end the first two times, the a-arms bent. Was that BRP's problem? No it was ME! The 3rd and 4th time I bent other stuff. Still my problem.
C'mon, man up and accept the fact that you wrecked and it hurt the machine.
I edited on purpose!
First of all why someone would remove the a-arm for no reason other than to "test it's strength?" is beyond me asking.
Something is not right here.
Secondly, the tabs you are bending work with other parts to become very strong and back and forth is no longer an issue. There is something that goes between those tabs or they go on the outside of something. They are not hanging out by themselves ready to get bent. YES, WHEN YOU TAKE A PAIR OF PLIERS TO THEM, THEY WILL BEND! DUH!!
Let me take a pair of pliers to your nutz and see if they pop. That's what you are, nutz! Ralph Nader ?? WTF??
You sound like this is your first machine and you don't know how to ride and you crashed your brand new $10,000 toy that you just runied the 3 year warranty by putting a snorkel kit on it and your mad because you want your money back.
Well Boo Hoo Hoo.
I am glad you are okay from the crash, but take it easy on Bombardier.
I own and put my DS 650 through some serious abuse and my tabs are the same thickness. But they work together with other parts. Your video is mis-leading. Let me tell you, when you crash, somethings going to give. When I crashed my front end the first two times, the a-arms bent. Was that BRP's problem? No it was ME! The 3rd and 4th time I bent other stuff. Still my problem.
C'mon, man up and accept the fact that you wrecked and it hurt the machine.
I edited on purpose!
#15
I have a few comments / questions.
1. Joe, is that your quad on Ebay? and if it is how come there is nothing in the ad stating it was wrecked?
2. Isn't this frame basically the same as the Outlander 400? If so How long is has the 400 been in production?
I know the 400 doesn't have the power of the 800 but it can do what 50-55MPH? Certainly fast enough to beat the hell out of it.
Have any 400 owners had their A-arms fold up hitting pot holes or big rocks?
Not bashing here, just asking pointed questions.
1. Joe, is that your quad on Ebay? and if it is how come there is nothing in the ad stating it was wrecked?
2. Isn't this frame basically the same as the Outlander 400? If so How long is has the 400 been in production?
I know the 400 doesn't have the power of the 800 but it can do what 50-55MPH? Certainly fast enough to beat the hell out of it.
Have any 400 owners had their A-arms fold up hitting pot holes or big rocks?
Not bashing here, just asking pointed questions.
#16
kinda like these guys that get chromoly steering stems then when the crash wonder why the frame is bent, I personally thought about beefing up my steering stem last year then after careful research decided on a stocker Because when you crash something has to absorb the energy from the crash, either the steering stem will bend and cost you 135.00 or if the stem is to strong something else will bend, maybe the frame which would be more of a hasslel than repacing a stem, kinda like your car when you hit something with the front end and bent your a arm rather than the frame where it bolts, just my .02 cents
#17
Originally posted by: mudnuri
.........Let me take a pair of pliers to your nutz and see if they pop. That's what you are, nutz! Ralph Nader ?? WTF??......!
.........Let me take a pair of pliers to your nutz and see if they pop. That's what you are, nutz! Ralph Nader ?? WTF??......!
#19
your link doesn't work!!!
Here's the thing, you want to warn people not to buy the Outty 800 because "this thing will hurt people" and the parts are weak and will fail causing you an accident!!!!!!!
But you said it yourself you crash first <u>THEN</u> things broke!!! <u>Not the other way around</u>!!!! Your trying to scare people into thinking the Bomb will fail under hard riding and cause a crash, but this is NOT the case!!!!
It's expected things will break when you crash at 50mph! Trust me crash your BF750 at 50mph and things might just break, this is not Kawi fault, but your fault..................
Here's the thing, you want to warn people not to buy the Outty 800 because "this thing will hurt people" and the parts are weak and will fail causing you an accident!!!!!!!
But you said it yourself you crash first <u>THEN</u> things broke!!! <u>Not the other way around</u>!!!! Your trying to scare people into thinking the Bomb will fail under hard riding and cause a crash, but this is NOT the case!!!!
It's expected things will break when you crash at 50mph! Trust me crash your BF750 at 50mph and things might just break, this is not Kawi fault, but your fault..................
#20
i followed the last post, and watched it get edited out. now reading this post, i am becoming more confused. though, i am not willing to call anyone a liar, without proof myself. i will speak of what i have read and consittered though.
i found it odd that a metal man( from your description, fabracator) never looked at the fabracation of a atv before purchacing it? why is that. i rebuild homes, and when buying one, i know what to look for, ya know what i mean?
numerous posts state the marvels of this machine, and at times, seem to counter what was origionally stated? why is this, and i am aware of the timing of the posts.
alot of attention has been paid, on your part, to show us your ability,s on fabing cars, drag cars, and so on. almost to the point of advertising of ones ability,s, and then you show us a video of weak medal, witch you yourself, with all your experiance, should know that it works within its guidelines using other parts for strenth. heck, i could grab the steel brake lines on any one of your cars, and bend it like a pretsel. this would, in your meanings, mean the brake lines are weak, and if they bend, would surly kill someone. we all know there strenth lies in there ability to retain pressure, not there ability to hold form.
mostly, you are still trying to sell this atv, after all you have said about it? why not advertise this in your ebay ad? you are, after all, the one trying hard to save peoples lives here, arent ya?
i also never recall you stating that the a arm gave way, throwing you from the atv. it was origionally posted that hitting a 6 inch rut popped your tire, thus allowing the a arm to give way, throwing you from the atv, is this correct? if so, then why on earth are you not going after the tire makers for allowing a tire to be produced with no integrity to it whats so ever? i can tell you, along with everyone else, that if i ripped my tire off of my grizzly at 40 + mph, the a arm WOULD RIP OFF.
take the a arm from the other side, and grab it. try to move it in the wrong direction, even 1/8 of an inch. smack a curb with it. put on a tie down strap, and crank on it with all ya got. make it bend, with everything put together.
with what you have stated here, i cant find one thing that shows bomb to be manufactering a quad that is weak. i see nothing that shows the a arm gave way under a minimal rut. i dont understand why the attach is coming from a metal fabbing man, when you yourself knows everything can be made stronger, and i mean everthing. to make it all so strong, that the quad would fit your wants, it would weight 1000lbs easy.
show us something, like photos, of how weak this quad is. show us the damage, before the repairs, show us how bad the design is by tweaking it on the other side, before you fix it all, to make it stronger, as you stated. if it gives way at 40+ mph from a small rut, i am willing to guess it cant handle pressure in exess of 900 lbs. should be easy to duplicate.
again, just trying to show you that what your saying is quite one sided, and vary suspect.
i found it odd that a metal man( from your description, fabracator) never looked at the fabracation of a atv before purchacing it? why is that. i rebuild homes, and when buying one, i know what to look for, ya know what i mean?
numerous posts state the marvels of this machine, and at times, seem to counter what was origionally stated? why is this, and i am aware of the timing of the posts.
alot of attention has been paid, on your part, to show us your ability,s on fabing cars, drag cars, and so on. almost to the point of advertising of ones ability,s, and then you show us a video of weak medal, witch you yourself, with all your experiance, should know that it works within its guidelines using other parts for strenth. heck, i could grab the steel brake lines on any one of your cars, and bend it like a pretsel. this would, in your meanings, mean the brake lines are weak, and if they bend, would surly kill someone. we all know there strenth lies in there ability to retain pressure, not there ability to hold form.
mostly, you are still trying to sell this atv, after all you have said about it? why not advertise this in your ebay ad? you are, after all, the one trying hard to save peoples lives here, arent ya?
i also never recall you stating that the a arm gave way, throwing you from the atv. it was origionally posted that hitting a 6 inch rut popped your tire, thus allowing the a arm to give way, throwing you from the atv, is this correct? if so, then why on earth are you not going after the tire makers for allowing a tire to be produced with no integrity to it whats so ever? i can tell you, along with everyone else, that if i ripped my tire off of my grizzly at 40 + mph, the a arm WOULD RIP OFF.
take the a arm from the other side, and grab it. try to move it in the wrong direction, even 1/8 of an inch. smack a curb with it. put on a tie down strap, and crank on it with all ya got. make it bend, with everything put together.
with what you have stated here, i cant find one thing that shows bomb to be manufactering a quad that is weak. i see nothing that shows the a arm gave way under a minimal rut. i dont understand why the attach is coming from a metal fabbing man, when you yourself knows everything can be made stronger, and i mean everthing. to make it all so strong, that the quad would fit your wants, it would weight 1000lbs easy.
show us something, like photos, of how weak this quad is. show us the damage, before the repairs, show us how bad the design is by tweaking it on the other side, before you fix it all, to make it stronger, as you stated. if it gives way at 40+ mph from a small rut, i am willing to guess it cant handle pressure in exess of 900 lbs. should be easy to duplicate.
again, just trying to show you that what your saying is quite one sided, and vary suspect.


