Lets c here... DS 650cc 475lbs 40HP Renegade 800cc 600lbs 62HP Judgin by the ratio, the Renegade has a very good chance of winnin. Same any bike.....

 

"Lets c here... DS 650cc 475lbs 40HP"

Is that rear wheel HP? because the 62hp outlander is crank. 40hp on a 650cc engine is weak. thats less than a honda 650.

 

on our dyno's out west, the stock DS is coming in around mid 30's. My bike first dyno's at 34hp and has now doubled that number on all motor.

I think that the bike is more of a dissapointment to me than anything else. I was hoping for a two wheel drive version and about 100lbs less.

 

the talk is that their will be a two wheel drive, it will be a 450 that is supposed to blow the doors off anything out there and also have the power to weight ratio with the right suspension, which means it will handle like it should. i have the outlander max 800 and its only good for a straight line when you get up the power. 680 lbs with a 230 lb rider is alot of weight.

 

I like the AC to much to go to bom. But i have to give it to them for their 800Vtwin. But hold on, because Rumor has it AC is working on an 800Vtwin also with their new St Cloud facility[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img] Mabey AC will be the first one to give bom a run for the money.[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

competion is very good for the consumer. the race version eventually makes it way to the market.

 

AC has potenial. Come and enjoy the fun [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

i was thinking about a new yamaha 700r, but was told by my service rep to wait for the new 450 can-am. he said its worth the wait.its suppose to be what everyone is asking for.my only concern is that i have around 11k in my ride with the extras, i don't know how the resale will hold up. i hear people are asking for the newer used one's to try and save some bucks.

 

Hey I just read the test in dirt wheeles so its already out there. I really like it and I'm hopeing to get one.

 

I forgot to tell you that the only bad thing I have heard about the renegade is that it has a stiffer turning than the outlander 800.