I posted on this thread a single post that clearly made a single point. That the Polaris 4WD system is superior in these high performance quads. No where have I ever said that either quad was better than the other. My discussion is clear. I am discussing the 4WD systems. If you don't care what I post, then don't read it. You guys can have it out amoungst yourselves which quad is better.

 

I think that might be a good point there bryce, you have sucessfully hijacked this this thread. You want to argue who has the best 4x4 system, why don't you start a thread to that effect? That was not the original question here. You seem to have made it your personal mission here to prove your polaris system is better even though its still a little bit of a personal prefference and you are on a BRP forum trying to prove your opinion is the only correct option, to a bunch of us Outlander owners. Clearly you will not win this argument over here.

 

"You guys can have it out amoungst yourselves which quad is better. "


I read this thread with a certain amount of amusement. Having ridden with the "superior Polaris 4WD" for quite a number of years, and watched a good friend almost get killed on a steep downhill in the snow, seen hubs stuck in and stuck out, malfunctioning sensors and 4WD that just plain refused to work, I will take a manual locking diff any day, any time.

And yes, all of these machines were in good shape, ridden by diehard Polaris guys who care about maintainance

The Polaris system is over complicated. All those hubs and sensors to accomplish what one lever does much more simply.

I do not need a 4WD that thinks for me, I am rider enough to decide for myself.

 

If you mean I have hijacked this thread to respond to personal insults. You may be correct. When someone makes a direct reference to me, I will respond.

LotusPosition's post is an example of a positive post. Rather than insult me, he just disagrees with me and provides a valid rason why. I won't argue with his position.

On the other hand, brpbear has yet to make a post without insulting me.

 

Bryce...Why dont you go home and play around in the Polaris thread....this is going absolutely nowhere....your defense about the 4X4 on the Polaris makes for an interesting first read...after that...it's old stuff. Who cares. Polaris has the worst service record in the history of ATV's. This is what really matters...dependability.

 

I am not the guy you were responding to with this quote, but could you please explain it to me or send me a link to some data I can read to fuly understand just what kind of system Polaris is running? No offense here. I'm just curious and want to learn about it. From your most recent posts, it almost seems like it runs in 2WD and the goes into 4WD automatically, not 4wd into locked 4wd automatically or 4wd with a limited slip. I have never heard of the first and don't understand how it would work or how it would be better in the mud. If it's not limited slip, and not a locked diff and not cdl, then it is something I have not heard of before other than all wheel drive with maybe TC. Shift into 4wd on the fly yes and I wonder why my BRP won't or can't.

In the end I will see how my BRP fairs in the mud. I also will likely run it in 4wd much of the time anyway, especially in snow or winter. I tried it last weekend and I didn't see much difference in handling between 4wd and 2wd other than it was much easier to climb hills (that's all relative because it was surprisingly easy in both modes) and there was more noticeable engine braking in 4wd on descents. I don't know how much cheaper it will be on gas in 2wd either. Probably not enough to worry about. I'll just leave mine in 4wd then.

 

Bryce I think I understand about the rear tires slipping now before front wheels are engaged. I want to look into it more, but I can't see very many instances when that would be better than a system that is already in 4wd and has a LSD in the front. If all else is equal and we were talking a race with lots of twisties, then maybe. I'm not sure; however, al else is not equal and if the one with 4wd and LSD also has more power horsepower, greater torque, higher top speed even in 4wd, faster times off the line, etc. then that one feature in the polaris' drive system is a moot point.

I have no idea yet how great my Outty 800 is as it only has like 3 hours on it. I know that I am not happy that I need to add armor everywhere and a snorkel to risk ruining it and getting denied warranty (snorkel might do that anyway), but I am hopeful ti will all be worth it, and I will have the baddest *** machine on the trails once I do. Wish me luck. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

ok this is the last time i'm going to post on this thread.

v2rider- arctic cat for one has the worst reliability in the sled biz, over the last 20 years. there fourwheelers have been better. In my area of the world there are very few ac quads. and the v twin with the kawi motors( that's bound to start an argument). they have had a very bad rep with trannys axles. and just plain lemon quads. I think it got cursed for not having a suzuki motor. now the new ac with the new king quad motor probably great. but i'd say don't buy that vtwin ac.

And for everybody else out there.(except bryce and raidermike) there is no sensors in a polaris 4wd system. and the only surface that will cause the polaris system to disengage beacuse lack of rear tire slip is maybe concrete and aspalt. this will not happen climbing hills.

here are the reasons that you will flip going a quad up a hill

1.too much weight on the back. ie. passenger, those stupid quad boxes, moose

2.a good power to weight ratio. If it will wheelie on the flat it will do it worse up a hill

3. too much throttle

4. downshifting a manual can also cause this

5. bad weight distribution by the manufacture. early 2wd quads were famous for that.

and yes polaris has reliabilty issues but so does harley davidson but nobody seems to mind

 

Mrtstroke...Harley davidson's are not in the woods either...I thought that this was a BRP thread...if you guys want to keep talking about Polaris why dont you go over to their part of the site. In the begininng, i thought this thread was comparing the Sp 800 and the Outy 800....as I stated previously...there isn't much of a comparison....the Outty smokes it...in almost every way.

 

thats cool and all but the brp info mercials are 100% legal and legit. there is a representative from each company on the site, and 5 lawyers per company. by the way can you explain to me if it isnt legit why in the first vid they would show the 400 outty being out pulled by the yammy kodiak 450? also in the 2nd infomercial why would they show the sp500 out mud the outty 500 by 3' ? come on use your heads!