can-am800 vs sportsman800
#121
can-am800 vs sportsman800
I have seen the po-po 4wd shine in some instances and have seen it look downright scary. I love the fact that you can ride all day in 2wd and when you arrive at a snow drift, you just hammer the throttle and steer. The po-po has as good a chance getting through as any other machine. But on my outtie 800, I have to come to a stop, hoping I can get going again, to engage 4wd. Stopping is not always a priority when everyone behind you has shift on the fly and you know you are going to get harassed for slowing them down!! But I have witnessed the scary side of po-po. I had my Rincon and there was a grizzly 660, and a po-po500. We were in a power line climbing a fairly steep rocky trail, a lot of ledge. Tha po-po struggled getting over a lot of steep rocks, almost like steps that were 2 feet high. You had to approach slow or the front we go up on you and real 4wd was needed to climb over at a slow speed. The po-po needed to be winched up because the rears would not spin. It was rather embarassing for the poor guy. But even more the following two times it happened. I have also seen two flip over as a result of the 4wd. Going up a small embankment the bike got sideways then 4wd kicked in and sent the bike at a steeper part causing the bike to roll on the guy. He wished it would have weighed less as he got hurt. So I guess the best 4wd is the one that suits youre riding best.
#122
can-am800 vs sportsman800
Originally posted by: kawiyowee
Let's face it gtx, you are way better at pie-in-the-sky bs than you are at quad riding. No real quad guy would ride those little maytag washer engine quads that you haul around in your dinky trailer.
And then you show your dinky quad with dinky chains on the rear wheels and say ' I just cleared 10 inches of snow'. If that snow had even a 1/4" of water in it, you would have had to go get your shovel. You should use that shovel now for the bs that is piling up around your computer.
As has been said toward you many times on this thread, quad experience talks and your long winded left field bs walks.
It's obvious man, you are not a quad rider.
Let's face it gtx, you are way better at pie-in-the-sky bs than you are at quad riding. No real quad guy would ride those little maytag washer engine quads that you haul around in your dinky trailer.
And then you show your dinky quad with dinky chains on the rear wheels and say ' I just cleared 10 inches of snow'. If that snow had even a 1/4" of water in it, you would have had to go get your shovel. You should use that shovel now for the bs that is piling up around your computer.
As has been said toward you many times on this thread, quad experience talks and your long winded left field bs walks.
It's obvious man, you are not a quad rider.
Now as far as shoveling snow.. if you had any experience shoveling snow you would know that 2WD tractors have been shoveling snow since long before you were born with less HP than my dinky little quad.
#123
can-am800 vs sportsman800
Originally posted by: raidermike67
Come on raidermike67. At least look at this race with some degree of objectivity. What was the tongue weight on the BRP. It could be that it might have been 300 pounds for all you know. Depending on the type of surface they were racing on, that 300 pounds on the back of the BRP could be what won the race. Who the heck would believe that doubling the weight of a quad would make it faster than a similarly equipped quad? You been had by good marketing. Go back to filling sand bags.
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You're talking in circles now. The POINT was that the Polaris weighs 150 lbs more, it seems as though the poster was trying to make it a "fair" race by pulling the trailer with the honda in the back against the Polaris, from what this poster says the 650 despite being a smaller engine with a larger load held it's own agains the Polaris 700..........is THAT too difficult to understand?
Come on raidermike67. At least look at this race with some degree of objectivity. What was the tongue weight on the BRP. It could be that it might have been 300 pounds for all you know. Depending on the type of surface they were racing on, that 300 pounds on the back of the BRP could be what won the race. Who the heck would believe that doubling the weight of a quad would make it faster than a similarly equipped quad? You been had by good marketing. Go back to filling sand bags.
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You're talking in circles now. The POINT was that the Polaris weighs 150 lbs more, it seems as though the poster was trying to make it a "fair" race by pulling the trailer with the honda in the back against the Polaris, from what this poster says the 650 despite being a smaller engine with a larger load held it's own agains the Polaris 700..........is THAT too difficult to understand?
#124
can-am800 vs sportsman800
Originally posted by: raidermike67
Ok, since you WON'T answer my question I'll assume you have ZERO experience on either of these machines. Anyone can regurgitate what they've read somewhere but there are people here who have owned both machines and have ridden both who have a bit of a different take then YOU do. Personally when in 4WD I can hardly tell a difference which is what I THINK BRP was going for with this design, if so then they hit the nail on the head.
Ok, since you WON'T answer my question I'll assume you have ZERO experience on either of these machines. Anyone can regurgitate what they've read somewhere but there are people here who have owned both machines and have ridden both who have a bit of a different take then YOU do. Personally when in 4WD I can hardly tell a difference which is what I THINK BRP was going for with this design, if so then they hit the nail on the head.
#126
can-am800 vs sportsman800
Originally posted by: raidermike67
I think it's pretty clear we all understand these systems are both based on the limited slip concept. I also think its pretty clear that each manufacturer feels these systems are important and are probably better to the general, overall public then a full locker which the average rider probably has no use for. Now I'm not trying to start an argument for/against lockers, I'm simply stating that for all general purpose riding which most of these quads are made for the auto 4WD systems SEEM to be pretty popular.
I think it's pretty clear we all understand these systems are both based on the limited slip concept. I also think its pretty clear that each manufacturer feels these systems are important and are probably better to the general, overall public then a full locker which the average rider probably has no use for. Now I'm not trying to start an argument for/against lockers, I'm simply stating that for all general purpose riding which most of these quads are made for the auto 4WD systems SEEM to be pretty popular.
#127
can-am800 vs sportsman800
gtx I looked at your page to see what you ride and I was shocked I thought you would be riding a Jenny Craig 800 not an out dated chain drive popo. Where is your all wheel drive sp 800 that you go on and on and on about. Are you a politician their the only people that are as full of it as you.
#128
can-am800 vs sportsman800
Now since my first technical point has been met with such resounding encouragement, its time to talk about my second point. That is:
1) When the BRP becomes stuck, its famous visco-lock becomes 3 wheel drive until it finally engages. Interesting concept. The Polaris system engages in 1/12 of a wheel revolution. Hmm.. more of that tire slipping stuff.
The BRP visco-lok is a limited slip type diff with a progressive lockup. However, it takes time and much slipping of a front tire before it engages. And it does not provide full torque to the non-slipping wheel until it is fully locked. The Polaris system on the other hand, engages either or both front tires within 1/12th of a tire revolution when the "REAR" tires slip. While the BRP front tire is slipping one of your front STEERING tires, the Polaris system has locked one or both front tires and does not force either of your STEERING tires to spin.
Now this type of spinning of your font tires may not make any difference if you drive like an old lady. However, we are comparing two supposedly high performance 4WD quads here. And if either of your front tires is spinning while your competitor is full engaged, it seems to me you are losing precious time in a race. Even worse, you are spinning your front steering wheels.
Seems to me, in this case, once again the Polaris 4WD system sure sounds superior to the BRP 4WD system. Once again, we see how badly some 4WD systems slip compared to the Polaris system.
1) When the BRP becomes stuck, its famous visco-lock becomes 3 wheel drive until it finally engages. Interesting concept. The Polaris system engages in 1/12 of a wheel revolution. Hmm.. more of that tire slipping stuff.
The BRP visco-lok is a limited slip type diff with a progressive lockup. However, it takes time and much slipping of a front tire before it engages. And it does not provide full torque to the non-slipping wheel until it is fully locked. The Polaris system on the other hand, engages either or both front tires within 1/12th of a tire revolution when the "REAR" tires slip. While the BRP front tire is slipping one of your front STEERING tires, the Polaris system has locked one or both front tires and does not force either of your STEERING tires to spin.
Now this type of spinning of your font tires may not make any difference if you drive like an old lady. However, we are comparing two supposedly high performance 4WD quads here. And if either of your front tires is spinning while your competitor is full engaged, it seems to me you are losing precious time in a race. Even worse, you are spinning your front steering wheels.
Seems to me, in this case, once again the Polaris 4WD system sure sounds superior to the BRP 4WD system. Once again, we see how badly some 4WD systems slip compared to the Polaris system.
#129
can-am800 vs sportsman800
7pgs of this BS, Who cares !!!!! Bryce I doubt you will ever convince anyone that the Popo has a 4x4 system that is any better then anyone elses 4x4 system. I don't know anyone that would buy a quad strictly on how the 4 wheel drive does or does not engage anyway. There are allot of us on this thread that have had polaris quads, I had 5 different polaris quads since 98 and none were even in the Outy 800s league IMO.