can-am800 vs sportsman800
Oct 13, 2006 | 12:41 AM
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now i have posted and read on here for it seems like forever now. Is bryce ever going to shut up. he still thinks a polaris has to spin the back tires to stay in 4wd. take one on the pavement and try to steer. It will be difficult to steer because you are in 4wd. not as hard as others because the front tires are able to go different speeds in corners. no on pavement the back tires aren't slipping are they bryce
aside from the stupid viscolock brp is the best brand out there right now
aside from the stupid viscolock brp is the best brand out there right now
Oct 13, 2006 | 02:28 AM
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Originally posted by: BryceGTX
Now that we have hear RaiderMike put his foot in his mouth so many times, lets look at what happens with the 4WD systems of the BRP versus the Polaris using a little "techno babble" and a bit of common sense experience.
As we all know, to get maximum traction (on dirt, mud..) with our tires, they must slip. The reason is quite simple, the tires must remove the loose dirt from the top so they can dig down to reach solid ground to put the power to. Furthermore, as a result of the spinning a small curve is created underneath the spinning tires to futher help traction. Anyone who has seen a race between quads has noticed the spinning tires at the start. If you don't spin the tires, you don't win. Plain and simple.
As we also know, in a drag race, 80-90% of our power goes through the rear tires due to weight transfer during acceleration. As a result, to get maximum power to your rear tires they must spin. On the other hand, we prefer not to spin our front tires. Because we know that when we spin our front tires, we break traction necessay to provide steering that we need to keep our quad STABLE during the acceleration of the quad.
The 20% gear ratio change between the front and rear of the Polaris gives us exactly the ability to spin the rear tires just enough to give us maximum acceleration through our rear tires, but we can still transfer full torque to the front tires without spinning them.
The BRP system, on the other hand spins both front and rear tires at the same speed (unless viso-loc is not locked and we have 3 wheel mode). So in the process of spinning our rear tires to get maximum transfer of power, we inadvertently are also spinning our front steering tires, which DESTABILIZES our quad. We will talk in another post what happens when the BRP goes into 3 wheel mode on acceleration. This is a good and bad thing as we will see in a later post.
So I guess you guys have the choice, you decide. Do you want maximum accelleration where you can still steer (Polaris), or are you happy spinning all your tires and not able to steer quite as well (BRP)??
Next time someone suggests that the Polaris system is bad because it spins its rear tires, you know that it is exactly what you want!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Now that we have hear RaiderMike put his foot in his mouth so many times, lets look at what happens with the 4WD systems of the BRP versus the Polaris using a little "techno babble" and a bit of common sense experience.
As we all know, to get maximum traction (on dirt, mud..) with our tires, they must slip. The reason is quite simple, the tires must remove the loose dirt from the top so they can dig down to reach solid ground to put the power to. Furthermore, as a result of the spinning a small curve is created underneath the spinning tires to futher help traction. Anyone who has seen a race between quads has noticed the spinning tires at the start. If you don't spin the tires, you don't win. Plain and simple.
As we also know, in a drag race, 80-90% of our power goes through the rear tires due to weight transfer during acceleration. As a result, to get maximum power to your rear tires they must spin. On the other hand, we prefer not to spin our front tires. Because we know that when we spin our front tires, we break traction necessay to provide steering that we need to keep our quad STABLE during the acceleration of the quad.
The 20% gear ratio change between the front and rear of the Polaris gives us exactly the ability to spin the rear tires just enough to give us maximum acceleration through our rear tires, but we can still transfer full torque to the front tires without spinning them.
The BRP system, on the other hand spins both front and rear tires at the same speed (unless viso-loc is not locked and we have 3 wheel mode). So in the process of spinning our rear tires to get maximum transfer of power, we inadvertently are also spinning our front steering tires, which DESTABILIZES our quad. We will talk in another post what happens when the BRP goes into 3 wheel mode on acceleration. This is a good and bad thing as we will see in a later post.
So I guess you guys have the choice, you decide. Do you want maximum accelleration where you can still steer (Polaris), or are you happy spinning all your tires and not able to steer quite as well (BRP)??
Next time someone suggests that the Polaris system is bad because it spins its rear tires, you know that it is exactly what you want!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
You better go study a little, because your not even close.
1st the gear ratio is the same front and rear
2nd you dont want to spin your tires to be fast
3rd the visco-loc works great on the outty
4th the popo 4x4 system is the worst on the market!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oct 13, 2006 | 02:42 AM
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DUDE YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You better go study a little, because your not even close.
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He's never ridden either machine. He rides a Trailblazer which I don't think is even 4WD? Yet he still comes across as an expert.
You better go study a little, because your not even close.
>>>>>>>>>>>
He's never ridden either machine. He rides a Trailblazer which I don't think is even 4WD? Yet he still comes across as an expert.
Oct 13, 2006 | 02:42 AM
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As much as I hate to agree with boat............Bryce, did someone tell you it was opposite day? I know you are a REALLY smart guy but you are either being sarcastic or you are weilding ignorance that could put an eye out. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
Oct 13, 2006 | 03:27 AM
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Originally posted by: 4FITTY
DUDE YOU DONT HAVE A CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You better go study a little, because your not even close.
1st the gear ratio is the same front and rear
2nd you dont want to spin your tires to be fast
3rd the visco-loc works great on the outty
4th the popo 4x4 system is the worst on the market!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally posted by: BryceGTX
Now that we have hear RaiderMike put his foot in his mouth so many times, lets look at what happens with the 4WD systems of the BRP versus the Polaris using a little "techno babble" and a bit of common sense experience.
As we all know, to get maximum traction (on dirt, mud..) with our tires, they must slip. The reason is quite simple, the tires must remove the loose dirt from the top so they can dig down to reach solid ground to put the power to. Furthermore, as a result of the spinning a small curve is created underneath the spinning tires to futher help traction. Anyone who has seen a race between quads has noticed the spinning tires at the start. If you don't spin the tires, you don't win. Plain and simple.
As we also know, in a drag race, 80-90% of our power goes through the rear tires due to weight transfer during acceleration. As a result, to get maximum power to your rear tires they must spin. On the other hand, we prefer not to spin our front tires. Because we know that when we spin our front tires, we break traction necessay to provide steering that we need to keep our quad STABLE during the acceleration of the quad.
The 20% gear ratio change between the front and rear of the Polaris gives us exactly the ability to spin the rear tires just enough to give us maximum acceleration through our rear tires, but we can still transfer full torque to the front tires without spinning them.
The BRP system, on the other hand spins both front and rear tires at the same speed (unless viso-loc is not locked and we have 3 wheel mode). So in the process of spinning our rear tires to get maximum transfer of power, we inadvertently are also spinning our front steering tires, which DESTABILIZES our quad. We will talk in another post what happens when the BRP goes into 3 wheel mode on acceleration. This is a good and bad thing as we will see in a later post.
So I guess you guys have the choice, you decide. Do you want maximum accelleration where you can still steer (Polaris), or are you happy spinning all your tires and not able to steer quite as well (BRP)??
Next time someone suggests that the Polaris system is bad because it spins its rear tires, you know that it is exactly what you want!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
Now that we have hear RaiderMike put his foot in his mouth so many times, lets look at what happens with the 4WD systems of the BRP versus the Polaris using a little "techno babble" and a bit of common sense experience.
As we all know, to get maximum traction (on dirt, mud..) with our tires, they must slip. The reason is quite simple, the tires must remove the loose dirt from the top so they can dig down to reach solid ground to put the power to. Furthermore, as a result of the spinning a small curve is created underneath the spinning tires to futher help traction. Anyone who has seen a race between quads has noticed the spinning tires at the start. If you don't spin the tires, you don't win. Plain and simple.
As we also know, in a drag race, 80-90% of our power goes through the rear tires due to weight transfer during acceleration. As a result, to get maximum power to your rear tires they must spin. On the other hand, we prefer not to spin our front tires. Because we know that when we spin our front tires, we break traction necessay to provide steering that we need to keep our quad STABLE during the acceleration of the quad.
The 20% gear ratio change between the front and rear of the Polaris gives us exactly the ability to spin the rear tires just enough to give us maximum acceleration through our rear tires, but we can still transfer full torque to the front tires without spinning them.
The BRP system, on the other hand spins both front and rear tires at the same speed (unless viso-loc is not locked and we have 3 wheel mode). So in the process of spinning our rear tires to get maximum transfer of power, we inadvertently are also spinning our front steering tires, which DESTABILIZES our quad. We will talk in another post what happens when the BRP goes into 3 wheel mode on acceleration. This is a good and bad thing as we will see in a later post.
So I guess you guys have the choice, you decide. Do you want maximum accelleration where you can still steer (Polaris), or are you happy spinning all your tires and not able to steer quite as well (BRP)??
Next time someone suggests that the Polaris system is bad because it spins its rear tires, you know that it is exactly what you want!! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]
You better go study a little, because your not even close.
1st the gear ratio is the same front and rear
2nd you dont want to spin your tires to be fast
3rd the visco-loc works great on the outty
4th the popo 4x4 system is the worst on the market!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This reminds me when I was a child and the adults back then argued about which car maker was better. The funny thing was that if someone said a Chevy sucked, they actually never owned one. And if someone else said Ford sucked, they only heard that from a family member. And then if someone said Dodge sucked, then they probably had one that had only one flat tire and classified the entire manufacture as junk.
The bottom line is we either ride what we like or we ride what others have influenced us to like. Polaris atv's are very good. Can-am atv's are very good. Kawasaki atv's are very good, Suzuki atv's are very good, Yamaha atv's are very good. Arctic Cat atv's are very good. And Honda atv's are very good even though they are out dated. So now all you who are brand loyal because that is just the way it is suppose to be bash me for saying this.
It is like, "what we don't know about something, we think it is inferior to our pre-conceived ideas."
Be thankful we are not back in the beginning of the 3 wheeler days. So go ride what you like or think you like and be happy.
Oct 13, 2006 | 03:32 AM
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Im a Honda guy but I wont buy one untill they step up and build a competitive machine.
And dont get me wrong I dont think the outty is the best 4x4 system I just think its light years ahead of POPO's system
And dont get me wrong I dont think the outty is the best 4x4 system I just think its light years ahead of POPO's system