ATV Action Disgusted with DS50 & DS90
#12
Please correct me if I am wrong but the Husky 50 and Viper 90 as well as the smaller Kaseas all have single A-arm front suspension. Only the Kasea Skyhawk 150 has full double A-arm front suspension,,, Oh, And my son's Raptor 80.
..... I do not consider my son's rig a racer, but a sport/trainer. The 80 cc 4-stroke is certainly not competitive with the 90 cc two strokes. And at 240 lbs it is at a weight disadvantage as well.
But the auto trannys on the two strokes upshift too quickly for very young riders. And..
What is the width of a 90 cc Kasea? I bet it's not 42", not even close. That is the point. The Woods guys talk about the DS being too wide. That is a good point if you live in woods where the trees are more than 45" apart, but less than 53" apart. So where do these kids ride that there quads need to be 32" wide? If they are going between trees that require this sort of narrow width, what are their parents riding while supervising them? Why aren't these kids riding quads that are as stabile and well suspended as their parent's quads?
.....The money thing is a lousy excuse. I took a $2,500 mini quad and modified it using parts from a $3,200 quad from the same manufacturer.
Retooling costs aside, it would cost Yamaha very little more to have come out with the Raptor 80 the way it should have been, with real suspension and handling.
......If we don't bitch, nothing will change. I and others have proven that a good mini can be built. I applaud ATV Action for trashing the Taiwan mini-Bombs and all the rest of these lousy little minis. I applaud Kasea for the improvements they have made, but it is not enough.
Besides mini-racers, we need competent mini-sports, trainers and mini-utilities. They need to be wider, more stabile, with real suspension and handling, because Good Handling and Suspension is the best Safety feature of all!
..... I do not consider my son's rig a racer, but a sport/trainer. The 80 cc 4-stroke is certainly not competitive with the 90 cc two strokes. And at 240 lbs it is at a weight disadvantage as well.
But the auto trannys on the two strokes upshift too quickly for very young riders. And..
What is the width of a 90 cc Kasea? I bet it's not 42", not even close. That is the point. The Woods guys talk about the DS being too wide. That is a good point if you live in woods where the trees are more than 45" apart, but less than 53" apart. So where do these kids ride that there quads need to be 32" wide? If they are going between trees that require this sort of narrow width, what are their parents riding while supervising them? Why aren't these kids riding quads that are as stabile and well suspended as their parent's quads?
.....The money thing is a lousy excuse. I took a $2,500 mini quad and modified it using parts from a $3,200 quad from the same manufacturer.
Retooling costs aside, it would cost Yamaha very little more to have come out with the Raptor 80 the way it should have been, with real suspension and handling.
......If we don't bitch, nothing will change. I and others have proven that a good mini can be built. I applaud ATV Action for trashing the Taiwan mini-Bombs and all the rest of these lousy little minis. I applaud Kasea for the improvements they have made, but it is not enough.
Besides mini-racers, we need competent mini-sports, trainers and mini-utilities. They need to be wider, more stabile, with real suspension and handling, because Good Handling and Suspension is the best Safety feature of all!
#13
Got my daughter an LT80 for Christmas this year and I am happy with this quad. I went with it because of the ease of use (automatic vs. the Raptor 80.) My daughter is really not old enough for the quad yet but I am leaving the limiter in at this point. I took it out of the garage today and let the neighborhood kids take turns riding it. Whoa, they gathered around it like lions on a wildabeast.
The think you have to like about the LT80 is the aftermarket upgrades / parts available. I looked at the Bom. quads but, couldn't pass on the things the LT80 could offer.
It is too bad Bom. came out with these, they started with what I think is the best sport quad on the market and added buy-out quads to fill their line. I would much rather see a 400cc with fuel injection, liquid cooled with reverse and a 650 built the same way.
The think you have to like about the LT80 is the aftermarket upgrades / parts available. I looked at the Bom. quads but, couldn't pass on the things the LT80 could offer.
It is too bad Bom. came out with these, they started with what I think is the best sport quad on the market and added buy-out quads to fill their line. I would much rather see a 400cc with fuel injection, liquid cooled with reverse and a 650 built the same way.
#14
True the Kasea 90 only has single a-arms just like the Kawasaki Bayou, etc. Kasea set it up in such a way that the toe does not change through the entire range of the suspension. When we add new rims and/or spacers like fourlix did on his Raptor 80 rear, width is not an issue. It is rare that we have a racer tip over since they all learn proper body position and learn to properly slide corners.
On the LT80, what performance mods?? there is no way you can make the LT80 suspend as good a a true swing arm atv. Sure I have been working on some performance mods for the LT80 (beyond those currently offered that do not address the transmission) but I still don't like them.
I am pushing Kasea to make a double a-arm design. The can easily use the doubles from their 90cc 4 stroke 3 speed atv that did not sell because it was too slow and too ugly OR they could use the suspension off the Skyhawk 150.
On the LT80, what performance mods?? there is no way you can make the LT80 suspend as good a a true swing arm atv. Sure I have been working on some performance mods for the LT80 (beyond those currently offered that do not address the transmission) but I still don't like them.
I am pushing Kasea to make a double a-arm design. The can easily use the doubles from their 90cc 4 stroke 3 speed atv that did not sell because it was too slow and too ugly OR they could use the suspension off the Skyhawk 150.
#15
I think that for youth quads the IPC Husky 50cc has some of the best features. Solid aluminum a-arms, and swing arm. Fox shocks, and a big gun exhaust system. Electric start, with a kick start back up. Optional big-bore kit. (70cc)Lots of safty features that can be used until the little ones get used to the machines too. As for beginner quads go, you probably could not get any better then these. Yeah, I think bombs mini's are a huge disapointment too.
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