Ok, I figure it's been awhile since we all had a nice argument about suspension so I thought I would spark up an old topic. What are your opinions on each of these shocks? I had the TCS SCS and they were really nice for jumping, but I thought that they were a bit stiff for trail riding. Now I have PEP ZPS and they are just a better all around shock! To be honest, I didn't agree with the PEP setup as compared to the TCS or AXIS. But now that I have owned both I can honestly say the PEP shocks are much better. As far as jumping they are excellent and I can still comfortably ride trails with the PEP ZPS shocks. I have to admit that I am surprised, but they simply perform a lot better than the TCS. Anyway, I thought I would get some of your opinions as well.

 

Todd at TCS likes to valve on the stiff side. This is probably what you noticed. Axis and TCS use shim stack valving which is currently the best valving technology period.

Weren't you arguing last year that Works were every bit as good as TCS/PEP?

 

From my own experience I have felt that the TCS were better all around than the ZPS. However I do think the TCS shocks could easily be improved by using triple rate springs like the PEP. If you still have your TCS shocks try a little experiment. Since both PEP and TCS use Works bodies the springs should be interchangeable. Try putting the triple rate springs on the TCS shock and see if it makes a difference. The shocks are very easy to dissassemble if you've never done it. Take them off the quad. Hold them upside down. Compress the spring without pushing in the shock shaft. remove the clip and the springs can now be pulled off. I think this experiment would determine which shock has better valving.

 

Hey Raychalp!
Havent heard from you in a while. I did your little 68# spring trick on my works shocks. It works ok! I would be happier getting TCS to convert them. But thanks for the help on getting it tricked a little for now. As far as PEP vs. TCS: is it not like a 6 month wait for PEP? Thats what I have been hearing. I would rather save the wait and go with TCS. It really dont matter to me though " i dont have the money for either". Later Raychalp!!!!!

 

Gabe you must have me confused with someone else! I never thought that Works were as good as TCS or PEP. However, I was arguing the theory behind PEP and TCS valving. IN THEORY, the TCS shocks would feel a lot more plush in all situations when compared to the PEP shocks. However, now that I have experienced both types of shocks I feel that the PEP is actually a better feel. So Gabe, the theory behind TCS and AXIS makes more sense than PEP but the seat of my pants says no. Someone also made the comment that if TCS had triple rate springs then they would be better than the PEP shocks. To answer, the TCS valving should compensate for the triple rate springs. That is the point of the shim stacks as opposed to the check ball/triple rate spring setup. In theory, the TCS/AXIS shim system should replace the 3 spring setup of the PEP/Works shocks. This makes sense, in theory, but I would say in all actuality the PEP shock rides a lot better than the TCS(in my experience anyway). Now, luckily I didn't have to wait more than a week to get my PEP's otherwise I probably wouldn't have bought them. However, I think from now on I will plan ahead and order early because the PEP shocks are worth the wait. Anyway, I want to get other people's opinion on suspension since it is an area of great interest to me!

 

Raychalp do you think that pep are better than axis 2 springs (did you have them or ride a quad with them.) which do you think would bottem out first? And what kind of quad do you have are the arms stock

 

how do the ohlines work?

 

Personally, i have only been riding my TCS for about 3 months. Im still adjusting them so that i get them absolutley perfect,and i havent been playing with them much. I have ridden a few others with TCS and others with works, and i thuaght the TCS performed better becuase they soaked everything up much smoother. I havent ridden any ZPS but, i ended up choosing the TCS not only becuase of price, but from what i thuaght when i rode them.

 

are TCS fully adjustable?
are they set to your weight or do you have to dial them in yourself?
is there any difference between converting from works to TCS than buying TCS new?

 

>are TCS fully adjustable?

The rear is fully adjustible.

The fronts are ride/crossover height, preload, and compression damping adjustible. Basically the only adjustment the fronts are missing is rebound - which if set properly, really doesn't need to be messed with much.

>are they set to your weight or do you have to dial them in yourself?

The are built to your specifications, weight, machine, machine setup, rider ability, and type of riding. Adjustments are for fine tuning and changes in terrain from day to day.

>is there any difference between converting from works to TCS than buying TCS new?

Essentially, no.