Actually taller tires take away more than the weight of the tire and wheel. Going to a taller tire is really changing the gearing considerably. The weight of the tire is not going to matter too awfully much. The name of the game is not performance but traction and heavy tires and heavy machines get more traction.

you don't ave to take my word for it, but heavy tires and high torque equal broken parts, because heavy #@$ mudvillas are the reason my friends grizzly 660 is in the shop with a broken cv joint, five or ten pounds of rotating mass addes up to alot. yeah they will still spin in low, but drivetrain components cost more than the tires do.

Excuse me, but the topic was about the best mud tire and not about if a Grizzly was tough enough to handle it. Your friends Grizzly is in the shop, not because of the tires but because it is a Yamaha, they have a history of breaking CV's, axles and differentials. Maybe the engine is too powerful or the CV, axles and differentials are too small and weak - I don't know.

the retard tried to pull a jeep out of the mud he did pull the jeep out at least, but he also broke his axles doing it, so yes mudzillas do get great traction. back to the topic. The mudzilla work best in soupy mud because they don't clean hard packed mud or clay as well as outlaws, outlaws clean the tread very well at high or low wheel speed. They both also work fairly in sand,if you ever run into that sort of thing.

You may be right, it is like debating Chevy vs Ford vs Dodge in NASCAR. For me if I were to get a pure mud tire for competition or otherwise it would be Innova Lug-Gears.

true,true...I've seen those in books, but never in real life action but they do look bad

Tractors use weights for PULLING stuff...not TRACTION....Adding weight to an ATV tire just slows the quads response down. It doesnt help in any way at all......Ive seen quads and trucks and tractors in action.....a Quad with good mud tires will go awesome in deep mud...adding weight will just make it sink more. Havent you guys ever seen a jeep or something in soft mud....it gets eaten alive....then next thing you know a 4wd QUAD drives right through the same mud bog. Weight is the enemy.

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Actually taller tires take away more than the weight of the tire and wheel. Going to a taller tire is really changing the gearing considerably. The weight of the tire is not going to matter too awfully much. The name of the game is not performance but traction and heavy tires and heavy machines get more traction.</end quote></div>


I think MOST people will disagree with you about that....maybe weight helps in PULLING something heavy, but just the opposite in mud.....

Yea, right!, How are tractors going to pull if they don't have traction... I have proven your theory wrong dozens of times. Why do AC's do so good in the mud - they are heavy and have good GC.
Mud is made of water and dirt - big fat tires float (they hold a lot of air) and can float a machine (just high enough so the tires were not touching the ground), I have seen one swept down stream from being so light of a machine and tires that were too fat. When is the last time you have driven across water? I know of only two people that have appeared to walk on water. One they put on a cross and the other knew where the stumps were.... but I have never seen an ATV drive on water yet.

Two ways to cross a mud hole.
One is to have a very light machine with big fat tires, with a tread design so aggressive as to paddle. - Like an ARGO. This type of ATV would absolutely suck as a trail machine too, it would only have one purpose and that would be to swim.
The second way is to sink the tires down and have enough clearance to reach a more solid traction surface. This type of ATV could also be used for trail riding and Utility work.
You are not going anywhere if your are high centered in mud, and can't reach down far enough to get some traction.

Did it ever occur to you that just maybe the ATV also had more clearance than the Jeep.

So, continue to think that weight is the enemy and when you are stuck and others drive through then you can scratch your head and wonder.

If you had an light ATV with big fat tires with 9" of clearance and I had a very heavy machine with motorcycle (motocross) tires and 25" of clearance who do you really think could get through deeper mud holes. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.

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Actually taller tires take away more than the weight of the tire and wheel. Going to a taller tire is really changing the gearing considerably. The weight of the tire is not going to matter too awfully much. The name of the game is not performance but traction and heavy tires and heavy machines get more traction.</end quote></div>





I think MOST people will disagree with you about that....maybe weight helps in PULLING something heavy, but just the opposite in mud.....</end quote></div>

Just how do you plan on getting across a mud hole if you have no traction, why can a heavily loaded pickup get through snow that a light pickup can't. Why can a heavily loaded pickup get through mud that a light pickup can't - hello!!! Why is it when you get stuck then if more people get on a vehicle over the traction wheels that you can get un-stuck.

And by the same token when you get stuck if you unload the vehicle (you increase the ground clearance) because now the tires are on solid footing and the belly is not.

Since you say that the laws of physics and gravity don't apply then I guess we will just have to take your word for it and forget about physics and gravity and weight and traction.