Here comes my flame. Out here where the sand is tall and steep ( Idaho, Utah) there are days that only the yfz climbs the steep stuff. Out here power and weight do matter. I have watched on some days as raptor after raptor failed to make choke cherry. The v-force HAS NO CHANCE on a day like this. Ride what you want on the kiddy hills, but when you come here you better be a way under 400lbs, powered up and paddled to the azz, and even then if you ain't a shee you might not make it(I have a rappy not a shee so this hurts to admit)

 

Now thats funny!!

 

I can't believe this is still going............[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

So how much longer[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-frown.gif[/img]

 

What are all you guys talking about. dont get the craptor or a 450 for 7k. get a 250R best bike you will ever buy. so the best bike to buy is not a 4 stroke get a 2 stroke.

 

Yeah I love the 250r. By my buddy still hanging on to his, it actually gives us a real reason for hanging out in his shop[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img]

 

Razorbacks are at the same angle (about 66*) no matter where the dunes are, your dunes in Idaho are no different in angle from Nevada, Oregon, California, or Africa. I think If you visit this site "Videos" you will see plenty of quads climbing Choke Cherry.. I have been to Sand Mt, Nv with my big heavy DS and never had a problem and I have covered the whole Oregon coast without finding a dune that posed a problem. Maybe you guys should stop running Geckos or something...??

 

In fact,I really like this one STOCK Z400. Dude, maybe you should get out more..

 

sand wasn't very soft that day. i've climbed hills bigger than chock cherry on my lil bro's stock 250ex (in dirt). the traction was so nice it really wasn't hard. sand conditions have a lot to do with whether or not you make it up a hill.

 

I haven't found one that I didn't make it up...