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Old 06-13-2006 | 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by: BryceGTXWhat the engine builders need is to have a professional dyno manufacturer design them a dyno so they can characterize the engines they build withing the 4.5 seconds alloted to run the engine.
What!!! Are you trying to say that I might have been correct? No, that couldn't be. You said that you could buy a dyno off the shelf that would work, and that must be right because you were very insistant! It seams your learning a bit about the acceleration of a Top Fueler as well. Could it be that if you stop being defencive, you too could LEARN something. Great!, Please continue.

Oh ya, I forgot, I'm done with this thread.

 
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Old 06-13-2006 | 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by: motox26
I think Knutz can't accept the fact that he is out of his league.
UM, I think we are starting to see who is out of who's league.
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Old 06-13-2006 | 01:34 AM
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Old 06-13-2006 | 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by: Knutz
Originally posted by: BryceGTXWhat the engine builders need is to have a professional dyno manufacturer design them a dyno so they can characterize the engines they build withing the 4.5 seconds alloted to run the engine.
What!!! Are you trying to say that I might have been correct? No, that couldn't be. You said that you could buy a dyno off the shelf that would work, and that must be right because you were very insistant! It seams your learning a bit about the acceleration of a Top Fueler as well. Could it be that if you stop being defencive, you too could LEARN something. Great!, Please continue.

Oh ya, I forgot, I'm done with this thread.
No.. you said there was no dyno that could hold back the nitromethane engine.
[Estimated since no dyno could measure that amount of power]
And yes, there is. The problem isn't that there is no dyno. The problem is that the engine guys do not know how to make it work. It is not just a matter of buying a dyno and connecting it to an engine. There must be a computer to run it, a load sensing device to measure torque and a speed measuring device to measure the speed. That is why we have dyno manufacturers.

And yes, you can slap down your credit card or sign the check and buy the dyno that will work.

Futhermore, its not that the thing accelerates so fast.. its because the engine self destructs after 4.5 seconds of running at full torque. That means, you better get it right within the 4.5 seconds.
 
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Old 06-13-2006 | 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by: Knutz
Originally posted by: motox26
I think Knutz can't accept the fact that he is out of his league.
UM, I think we are starting to see who is out of who's league.
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Hold it.. I thought you were suppose to appoligize to me for finding a dyno that would work.
 
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Old 06-13-2006 | 02:25 PM
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Quote- By me, Knutz

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[Estimated since no dyno could measure that amount of power]
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Quote- By BryceGTX
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What the engine builders need is to have a professional dyno manufacturer design them a dyno so they can characterize the engines they build withing the 4.5 seconds alloted to run the engine.
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Your stating yourself, that a <u>dyno</u> would have to be <u>designed</u> to deal with a nitro-methane motor. That would insinuate that there currently are no dyno's that can. Am I misinterpreting that insinuation? Do they need to design one just for the heck of it, despite the existance of one capable of doing the job?

Your backpeddling to avoid admitting being incorrect is really funny. It's the best part of the thread.

The fact remains, no current dyno can measure the power of a Top Fuel motor, Period.

The unit you linked to, although it is rated for the required capacity, is designed for diesel engines and shaft turbines, just as I suspected. Due to entirely different performance criteria, it would be useless on a nitromethane motor, and I suspect that you know that but are still unwilling to admitt it.

Now why would I appologize when I haven't been proven wrong? You on the other hand are admitting to being wrong in stating that the dyno manufacturers need to design a dyno that can perform the job.
 
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Old 06-13-2006 | 02:53 PM
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No.. you said there was no dyno that could hold back the nitromethane engine.
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[Estimated since no dyno could measure that amount of power]
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By the way, if you going to quote me, at least do it right. There is a huge difference between "measure" (what I said) and "hold back" (what you twisted it in to). Again, it shows your true ignorance that you will lie to try to disprove me. This isn't the spoken word that is forgoten. I typed it, and you copied it, so all can see what I actually said. I never said anything about holding back the power, you lying a-hole, I said measure.

A moron is one thing, a moron that has to lie is about the lowest form of life in existance.
 
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Old 06-13-2006 | 02:58 PM
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The unit you linked to, although it is rated for the required capacity, is designed for diesel engines and shaft turbines, just as I suspected. Due to entirely different performance criteria, it would be useless on a nitromethane motor, and I suspect that you know that but are still unwilling to admitt it.
This dyno can be used to test anything that rotates.. Including nitromethane engines. Please point out why you think it cannot be used to test a nitro-methane engine. What in the specs has led you to believe that this dyno cannot be used? Because I know of no reason why it cannot be used.

Your stating yourself, that a dyno would have to be designed to deal with a nitro-methane motor. That would insinuate that there currently are no dyno's that can. Am I misinterpreting that insinuation? Do they need to design one just for the heck of it, despite the existance of one capable of doing the job?
If someone does not know how to properly create a dynamometer system for an application, then I think most people would suggest that they talk to experts. You seem to fall into this class.
 
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Old 06-13-2006 | 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by: Knutz
No.. you said there was no dyno that could hold back the nitromethane engine.
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[Estimated since no dyno could measure that amount of power]
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By the way, if you going to quote me, at least do it right. There is a huge difference between "measure" (what I said) and "hold back" (what you twisted it in to). Again, it shows your true ignorance that you will lie to try to disprove me. This isn't the spoken word that is forgoten. I typed it, and you copied it, so all can see what I actually said. I never said anything about holding back the power, you lying a-hole, I said measure.

A moron is one thing, a moron that has to lie is about the lowest form of life in existance.
The dyno I specified is quite capable of measuring the amount of power created by a nitro-methane engine. Please point out to me why you think it is not.
 
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Old 06-13-2006 | 03:14 PM
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Before we get lost on the meanings of a single word, and not the overall point.....Answer me a question. Dynos measure Torque, correct? As far as I understand the only true way to measure torque would be to apply resistance to that which is being measured. So in essance you are attempting to "hold back" the product. So as I read it, "hold back" and "measure" "could" have the same meaning in this case.
 


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