No, grizz thats not actually what you said. you tried to give the banshee all the credit for the design of modern sport quads. and when the man corrected you by saying he was not talking about 2-strokes, you said well the warrior came before the 400ex give it the credit. Oh yea and as for you saying I think tecates are are the best things running, if you have read my other posts you would know that quite often I point out flaws in the design. other than that I've said they were the fastest stock 250 ever, ok that is not my opinion, that is fact. trust me I will be the first to tell you they ride like crap. thats why I have spent alot of money fixing kawasaki's mistakes.
The reason you can't ever admit when your wrong is because you never think you are....

 

the t4 was the fastest production 2 stroke 250. But the handling was the worst of the three.

the shee and warrior came out in 87. thier presence left the door open for sport quads. the geometry might not be the same, but if yamaha didnt continue to make these machines througout the years, threre may have been no sport segment to jump back into for honda or the rest.

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Exactly what I was thinking maddog56!!! Trust me KillerKx, I can definately admite when I'm wrong!! I've done it before!!! Maybe its YOUR buddy that can't accept the fact that it WAS yamaha who DIDNT tuck their TAIL and run when it got rough back in the 80's!!! Its not that I can't face being wrong, its simply that I can't see where you don't agree with that statement!!! I mean you of all people should know that!! I'm not trying to argue with you or even arobred!! But YAMAHA did stay with it!! Regardless of it were 4 stroke machines or not, you have to hand it to them for staying in a market that all others RAN from!!!

 

I hear you kxf griz is never going to be wrong and never will admit to it. he never reads the post before he starts firing back, very common with yamaha owners.

 

No sir I will admit when I am wrong for sure!! Honda and Zuki did pave the way for sport machines by creating the first ones!!!! HOWEVER, when other manufactyuers tucked their tails and RAN, WHO stayed with it??? Did Honda keep making sport machines?????????????????????????? ALSO, I BELIEVE AS FAR AS THE TOPIC OF BANNING OF 2 STROKES, I PRETTY MUCH SHUT YOU UP ON THAT ONE!!!!!!! so its YOU who will not admit when they are wrong and its YOU who needs to get the actual facts before you open your rediculous mind to a topic you APPARENTLY(with proof stated above in this thread) know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about!!!!!!! So NOT always am I right about certain things, but THIS time I AM!!!!

 

Well said maddog, I dont think arobred or KillerKX can see our point on that!!! OH WELL!!! Thats life!!

 

Hey Guys,


While we are on the subject of atv history and what vehicles contributed to our huge line of atv's we have today, I want to mention two very influential atvs.....Hondas atc350x and atc250r. I think one of the biggest reasons the manufacturers came out with larger cc machines is because all of us guad riders were getting our butts kicked by these two three wheelers. Not necessarly in the woods or tight trails but when it came to drag racing....man these two rocked! I know that this thread has mainly been discussing quads but again, its hard to deny the influence on the sport quad market the 350x and 250r have had.

 

Grizz...I do understand what you are saying....but please try to here what I'm saying....yes yamaha stayed in it for the long hall, but what about the mojave it's a sport quad......All I'm saying is I do not belive that the banshee or the warrior had anything to do with honda's decision to get the sport quad ball rolling again...if anything it's the fact that they were finally able to start making good power with the for stroke bike motors....

 

The worst i think is the yamaha wolverine, I had a 400ex once me and my kids loved it and the funny thing is it still wins races. This years baja i think a 400 ex took 4rth and thats with all the new atvs out. cant be to bad

 

I agree with that for sure!!! They were trulyt he first to utilize the xr400 motor into a quad frame!! Now both Honda and Yamaha have some high tech 4 stroke machines!!! I give credit to BOTH of the manufacturers for actually MAKING something worth having!