You guys know that the raptor will smoke any of your 400ex's or 450's. Just read the pages on dirt wheels.

Even though I am a raptor owner I'm not quite sure about a stock raptor smoking a stock 450r

I allways crack a litte giggle when it rolls out of my mouth.

Have you ever riddin one. Nuff said.

I was beating craptors at Coos Bay on my little 440.

You also have to remeber that your raptors are 260cc's MORE than our little 400's. I think its a damn good accomplishment when our little 400's keep up with your 660's.

i dont think they suck i like them. but it is sick when 400ex's can beat stock raptors

I believe the only Raptor's that get beat are when they are stock against a 440 or bigger EX. My buddy just built his to a high compression stock bore and I still walk away from him in 4th and 5th gear like nothing.

As for the Craptor thing....1/2 the Raptor owners in the Yamaha forum call their own bikes that. It's just a name that floats around.

As for the comment of ride one and you'll find out.....I think after you climb off your 27hp EX, and get on a 37hp stock Raptor, you guys are just so scared and insecure that you have to talk crap to live with the embarassment.

Because every Craptor owner I have even seen just sits then and does nothing (Afraid to jump, afraid to operate...blah blah... Just what I have observed!!!! Sorry Craptor owners.

my craptor is in the garage needing work

maybe thats why they call them craptors

I miss the reliability of my 400ex,,,,great bikes for what they are!!!

Speed and HP do you NO good when your bike is sitting in your garage or in the local repair shop getting it's valves replaced or it's top end rebuilt cause Yamaha makes a piece or crap and shoves it out the factory, into a truck and into a dealership and slaps a huge price tag on it and forgets about it. As a Yamaha and Honda owner, I can speak from experience