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Sep 9, 2005 | 12:03 PM
#21
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Yes it is a real cool job LOL we also have the Polaris and Suzuki line of atv's as well as Motorcycles we also have KTM and now Victory bikes as well. My job is to build them all and make sure that they are good to go. I do all the PDI's and get to take the first ride on all of them. Do I love my job ? You bet. I wouldn't change it for the world.
Have a great day
John
Yes it is a real cool job LOL we also have the Polaris and Suzuki line of atv's as well as Motorcycles we also have KTM and now Victory bikes as well. My job is to build them all and make sure that they are good to go. I do all the PDI's and get to take the first ride on all of them. Do I love my job ? You bet. I wouldn't change it for the world.
Have a great day
John
Sep 9, 2005 | 01:41 PM
#22
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Stocks,
I owned 2 Polaris 4x4 ATV that were the biggest POS know to mankind from 1998 until 2002 when I purchased the Honda Rincon..EVERY ride on them[Polaris 4x4s] had me wondering 'whats to go wrong next'??
The last straw for me was in June of 2002 in a Poker Run here in Michigan..My belt come off and put a hole right thru my side cover..Pissed,I loaded up the machine and headed back for home..I put the Polaris 4x4 back together and SOLD it..I than waited until OCTOBER of 2002 for my dealership to get its first Rincon in and I bought it..I was so pleased to hear that FINALLY,a manufacture had a REAL automatic transmission with a torque convertor that I really was'nt too concerned about the features the machine did'nt have..I did worry about the front drum style brakes though because I do like to go thru mud..
At first,the Rincon was a pleasure to have,especially when I factored in that I had no belts to worry about..BUT,as time went on and the more I rode with our local ATV club here in Michigan,the more I started to realize the shortcomings of the Rincon when compared to the other manufacture Big Bore ATVs in our club..There were terrains here in Michigan that other manufactures big bore ATVs just walked thru and my Rincon really struggled to acchomplish the same.
After the first yr or so of ownership,I started to 'glance' at the other manufactures 4x4 ATVs..Than after about two yrs of ownership,I went out and bought the new King Quad by Suzuki..IMO,there is very little,if anything that the Rincon does better than the KQ except it might ride a little better..But the trade off for the ride vs the features the KQ has,is not nearly enough for me to go out and buy another Rincon,especially when I allready know first hand of its shortcomings.
In my opinion,the Rincon is not even close to the KQ for my type of riding,and this is coming from someone who has alot of time on BOTH ATVs...The tranny on the Rincon is nice,but it needs a LOW RANGE badly..No downhill engine braking sucks,no adjustable shocks,higher MSRP,and the lack of an option to lock in the front end,seriously put the Rincon way behind the KQ for my type of terrain..
Best of luck with your choice.
I owned 2 Polaris 4x4 ATV that were the biggest POS know to mankind from 1998 until 2002 when I purchased the Honda Rincon..EVERY ride on them[Polaris 4x4s] had me wondering 'whats to go wrong next'??
The last straw for me was in June of 2002 in a Poker Run here in Michigan..My belt come off and put a hole right thru my side cover..Pissed,I loaded up the machine and headed back for home..I put the Polaris 4x4 back together and SOLD it..I than waited until OCTOBER of 2002 for my dealership to get its first Rincon in and I bought it..I was so pleased to hear that FINALLY,a manufacture had a REAL automatic transmission with a torque convertor that I really was'nt too concerned about the features the machine did'nt have..I did worry about the front drum style brakes though because I do like to go thru mud..
At first,the Rincon was a pleasure to have,especially when I factored in that I had no belts to worry about..BUT,as time went on and the more I rode with our local ATV club here in Michigan,the more I started to realize the shortcomings of the Rincon when compared to the other manufacture Big Bore ATVs in our club..There were terrains here in Michigan that other manufactures big bore ATVs just walked thru and my Rincon really struggled to acchomplish the same.
After the first yr or so of ownership,I started to 'glance' at the other manufactures 4x4 ATVs..Than after about two yrs of ownership,I went out and bought the new King Quad by Suzuki..IMO,there is very little,if anything that the Rincon does better than the KQ except it might ride a little better..But the trade off for the ride vs the features the KQ has,is not nearly enough for me to go out and buy another Rincon,especially when I allready know first hand of its shortcomings.
In my opinion,the Rincon is not even close to the KQ for my type of riding,and this is coming from someone who has alot of time on BOTH ATVs...The tranny on the Rincon is nice,but it needs a LOW RANGE badly..No downhill engine braking sucks,no adjustable shocks,higher MSRP,and the lack of an option to lock in the front end,seriously put the Rincon way behind the KQ for my type of terrain..
Best of luck with your choice.
Sep 9, 2005 | 02:40 PM
#23
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That's the difference right there. Your less worried about long tem reliability then most honda owners. If it causes you trouble, your'll likely be clear of it anyway.
I bought my bike at 17, and i'll have another when the kids get older, in teh mean time I can count ion my older bike to get me where I want to go with little trouble. Thats the shortcommings of the other bikes.
More features will gurantee require more maintenance and repair, and not cheap fixes like drum brake seal grease and oil changes.
To each their own
I bought my bike at 17, and i'll have another when the kids get older, in teh mean time I can count ion my older bike to get me where I want to go with little trouble. Thats the shortcommings of the other bikes.
More features will gurantee require more maintenance and repair, and not cheap fixes like drum brake seal grease and oil changes.
To each their own
Sep 9, 2005 | 04:16 PM
#24
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LONG TERM RELIABILITY?
There is NO DATA anywhere that im aware of that says the 2002--2003 and newer ATVs of today wont last as long as a Honda..Put any Honda in the same situations as we put our other brand name 4x4 ATVs in,and Honda will soon develope issues too..Heck,I followed my buddies Grizzlies,Artic Cats,Polaris,Suzuki's ect with my Rincon,and most every ride thru the deep mud,I'd loose my front brakes because of contamination from leaky drum seals,while these guys did'nt have a worry in the world.
I dont want to keep my ATVs around for what seems like an eternity..When something [regardless of brand] catches my eyes,I 'might' want to buy it...I do the samething with my new cars..I'll keep them for awhile,than if someone comes out with a car I like and the features that suit my needs,I'll may buy it or I may not..
Even IF it is proved in the upcoming years that Honda still leads all manufactures in reliability,I still would'nt buy one of their ATVs if they did'nt offer me the features I wanted..Its a trade-off that im willing to risk in order to KNOW that I have an ATV with features that will take me to the backwoods and back if the going gets rough.
There is NO DATA anywhere that im aware of that says the 2002--2003 and newer ATVs of today wont last as long as a Honda..Put any Honda in the same situations as we put our other brand name 4x4 ATVs in,and Honda will soon develope issues too..Heck,I followed my buddies Grizzlies,Artic Cats,Polaris,Suzuki's ect with my Rincon,and most every ride thru the deep mud,I'd loose my front brakes because of contamination from leaky drum seals,while these guys did'nt have a worry in the world.
I dont want to keep my ATVs around for what seems like an eternity..When something [regardless of brand] catches my eyes,I 'might' want to buy it...I do the samething with my new cars..I'll keep them for awhile,than if someone comes out with a car I like and the features that suit my needs,I'll may buy it or I may not..
Even IF it is proved in the upcoming years that Honda still leads all manufactures in reliability,I still would'nt buy one of their ATVs if they did'nt offer me the features I wanted..Its a trade-off that im willing to risk in order to KNOW that I have an ATV with features that will take me to the backwoods and back if the going gets rough.
Sep 9, 2005 | 04:29 PM
#25
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Hey muddy4life.I have no idea why you are still in the "honda" section bragging about the almighty KQ.
If you have learned anything about "honda people" it should be........HONDA'S WERE,ARE AND ALWAYS WILL
BE THE BEST ON EARTH.
I say if you are so impressed with the KQ then head right on over to the suzuki section and praise,worship,
and represent it to the best of your abilities.Sorry to say it is falling on deaf ears here.
By the way,I am not trying to be rude and I respect your opinion no matter how much I disagree with you.
If you have learned anything about "honda people" it should be........HONDA'S WERE,ARE AND ALWAYS WILL
BE THE BEST ON EARTH.
I say if you are so impressed with the KQ then head right on over to the suzuki section and praise,worship,
and represent it to the best of your abilities.Sorry to say it is falling on deaf ears here.
By the way,I am not trying to be rude and I respect your opinion no matter how much I disagree with you.
Sep 9, 2005 | 05:07 PM
#26
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The thing is Muddy4life, a LOT of ATVers don't have enough money to go out and buy new ATV's every two years. Some don't even have enough money to buy used ones. This is where a lot of reliability comes into play. Not saying that any brand has a distinct reliability advantage, but you have to understand that the majority of the people can't afford new ATV's all the time. Much less the big mosters that cost more than some people's truck.
Sep 9, 2005 | 06:46 PM
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Some points to think about:
The question should be "Long-term reputation?" The other manufacturers didn't do much for years and years when it came to reliability as a result Honda earned the reputation for reliability and customer service (partly because when you build a really good product it doesn't cost much to fix the few that do break thus customer satisfaction goes way up). Even if the other manufacturers are making equally reliable quads today, how long will it take to overcome the trust Honda has built in the marketplace? After owning 6 Yamaha dirt bikes and 2 Yamaha Kodiaks that were never in the shop even once, I got a 2001 Raptor. Yamaha left me high and dry on a few issues along with 1,000s of others. I have been very reluctant to move to the YFZ450 or the new Raptor even though they had what I was looking for in terms of performance, electric start, handling, weight, etc. My documented experience with Yamaha customer service was a real blow. Even though I thought all the other Yamaha products I bought were very reliable, my experience with their support the time I needed it was very poor. Honda's reputation managed to get me to wait 2 years for them to meet my needs. Lucky for me, Honda finally put e-start on the 450r. I have to admit I was tired of Honda's product offering and I wasn't waiting any longer than this year's releases to update the 400exs - even my comfort with Honda will only go so far. I would have moved away from Honda this fall if the 450r didn't have e-start or there wasn't a 650ex. I am now 99.9% sure I will stick with Honda for the next 5 years. Customer satisfaction goes a long, long way. It isn't easy to get someone to change brands when they are satisfied.
There are still lots of "old school" thinkers out there. I still ride with people who believe water-cooled is just one more thing to break. Go stand in a dealership for a Saturday afternoon and listen (but keep your yap shut) to all the statements made that you disagree with and know are flat out wrong. These are the bulk of customers buying quads. Perhaps Honda's motto could be "An Uneducated Consumer is Our Best Customer." I will be the first one to admit Honda is behind in having the latest and greatest and over charges for what they do offer. However, see point #1. Apparently in the marketplace, more buyers place emphasis on this than the other factors. It is the reason you can explain why Honda sells the most units overall.
/Jon
The question should be "Long-term reputation?" The other manufacturers didn't do much for years and years when it came to reliability as a result Honda earned the reputation for reliability and customer service (partly because when you build a really good product it doesn't cost much to fix the few that do break thus customer satisfaction goes way up). Even if the other manufacturers are making equally reliable quads today, how long will it take to overcome the trust Honda has built in the marketplace? After owning 6 Yamaha dirt bikes and 2 Yamaha Kodiaks that were never in the shop even once, I got a 2001 Raptor. Yamaha left me high and dry on a few issues along with 1,000s of others. I have been very reluctant to move to the YFZ450 or the new Raptor even though they had what I was looking for in terms of performance, electric start, handling, weight, etc. My documented experience with Yamaha customer service was a real blow. Even though I thought all the other Yamaha products I bought were very reliable, my experience with their support the time I needed it was very poor. Honda's reputation managed to get me to wait 2 years for them to meet my needs. Lucky for me, Honda finally put e-start on the 450r. I have to admit I was tired of Honda's product offering and I wasn't waiting any longer than this year's releases to update the 400exs - even my comfort with Honda will only go so far. I would have moved away from Honda this fall if the 450r didn't have e-start or there wasn't a 650ex. I am now 99.9% sure I will stick with Honda for the next 5 years. Customer satisfaction goes a long, long way. It isn't easy to get someone to change brands when they are satisfied.
There are still lots of "old school" thinkers out there. I still ride with people who believe water-cooled is just one more thing to break. Go stand in a dealership for a Saturday afternoon and listen (but keep your yap shut) to all the statements made that you disagree with and know are flat out wrong. These are the bulk of customers buying quads. Perhaps Honda's motto could be "An Uneducated Consumer is Our Best Customer." I will be the first one to admit Honda is behind in having the latest and greatest and over charges for what they do offer. However, see point #1. Apparently in the marketplace, more buyers place emphasis on this than the other factors. It is the reason you can explain why Honda sells the most units overall.
/Jon
Sep 9, 2005 | 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by: quad2xtreme
Some points to think about:
The question should be "Long-term reputation?" The other manufacturers didn't do much for years and years when it came to reliability as a result Honda earned the reputation for reliability and customer service (partly because when you build a really good product it doesn't cost much to fix the few that do break thus customer satisfaction goes way up). Even if the other manufacturers are making equally reliable quads today, how long will it take to overcome the trust Honda has built in the marketplace? After owning 6 Yamaha dirt bikes and 2 Yamaha Kodiaks that were never in the shop even once, I got a 2001 Raptor. Yamaha left me high and dry on a few issues along with 1,000s of others. I have been very reluctant to move to the YFZ450 or the new Raptor even though they had what I was looking for in terms of performance, electric start, handling, weight, etc. My documented experience with Yamaha customer service was a real blow. Even though I thought all the other Yamaha products I bought were very reliable, my experience with their support the time I needed it was very poor. Honda's reputation managed to get me to wait 2 years for them to meet my needs. Lucky for me, Honda finally put e-start on the 450r. I have to admit I was tired of Honda's product offering and I wasn't waiting any longer than this year's releases to update the 400exs - even my comfort with Honda will only go so far. I would have moved away from Honda this fall if the 450r didn't have e-start or there wasn't a 650ex. I am now 99.9% sure I will stick with Honda for the next 5 years. Customer satisfaction goes a long, long way. It isn't easy to get someone to change brands when they are satisfied.
There are still lots of "old school" thinkers out there. I still ride with people who believe water-cooled is just one more thing to break. Go stand in a dealership for a Saturday afternoon and listen (but keep your yap shut) to all the statements made that you disagree with and know are flat out wrong. These are the bulk of customers buying quads. Perhaps Honda's motto could be "An Uneducated Consumer is Our Best Customer." I will be the first one to admit Honda is behind in having the latest and greatest and over charges for what they do offer. However, see point #1. Apparently in the marketplace, more buyers place emphasis on this than the other factors. It is the reason you can explain why Honda sells the most units overall.
/Jon
Some points to think about:
The question should be "Long-term reputation?" The other manufacturers didn't do much for years and years when it came to reliability as a result Honda earned the reputation for reliability and customer service (partly because when you build a really good product it doesn't cost much to fix the few that do break thus customer satisfaction goes way up). Even if the other manufacturers are making equally reliable quads today, how long will it take to overcome the trust Honda has built in the marketplace? After owning 6 Yamaha dirt bikes and 2 Yamaha Kodiaks that were never in the shop even once, I got a 2001 Raptor. Yamaha left me high and dry on a few issues along with 1,000s of others. I have been very reluctant to move to the YFZ450 or the new Raptor even though they had what I was looking for in terms of performance, electric start, handling, weight, etc. My documented experience with Yamaha customer service was a real blow. Even though I thought all the other Yamaha products I bought were very reliable, my experience with their support the time I needed it was very poor. Honda's reputation managed to get me to wait 2 years for them to meet my needs. Lucky for me, Honda finally put e-start on the 450r. I have to admit I was tired of Honda's product offering and I wasn't waiting any longer than this year's releases to update the 400exs - even my comfort with Honda will only go so far. I would have moved away from Honda this fall if the 450r didn't have e-start or there wasn't a 650ex. I am now 99.9% sure I will stick with Honda for the next 5 years. Customer satisfaction goes a long, long way. It isn't easy to get someone to change brands when they are satisfied.
There are still lots of "old school" thinkers out there. I still ride with people who believe water-cooled is just one more thing to break. Go stand in a dealership for a Saturday afternoon and listen (but keep your yap shut) to all the statements made that you disagree with and know are flat out wrong. These are the bulk of customers buying quads. Perhaps Honda's motto could be "An Uneducated Consumer is Our Best Customer." I will be the first one to admit Honda is behind in having the latest and greatest and over charges for what they do offer. However, see point #1. Apparently in the marketplace, more buyers place emphasis on this than the other factors. It is the reason you can explain why Honda sells the most units overall.
/Jon
Amen,praise the lord.
Sep 9, 2005 | 08:41 PM
#29
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Sab
Sounds to me like you are the "ignorant one". You are so Honda loyal that you are blind to the fact that Honda is falling behind. Six years Yamaha has been raking it in on the Raptor and no competition from Honda. Why? Because in my opinion they have gotten lazy and have relied on old school technology way too long.
Oh, and I love your theories on why Honda may have decided not to come out with a large bore sport quad. The "big picture" is a huge number of people would love to buy a 650ex but there is none! Typical loyal crap if you ask me.
Honda used to be the best all the way around, and now they just suck. Sorry, if you think that is too bold of an opinion, but it is just the way I feel.
Sounds to me like you are the "ignorant one". You are so Honda loyal that you are blind to the fact that Honda is falling behind. Six years Yamaha has been raking it in on the Raptor and no competition from Honda. Why? Because in my opinion they have gotten lazy and have relied on old school technology way too long.
Oh, and I love your theories on why Honda may have decided not to come out with a large bore sport quad. The "big picture" is a huge number of people would love to buy a 650ex but there is none! Typical loyal crap if you ask me.
Honda used to be the best all the way around, and now they just suck. Sorry, if you think that is too bold of an opinion, but it is just the way I feel.
Sep 9, 2005 | 08:53 PM
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TRX450,
You seem to be the only one in here that feels im BRAGGING about the KQ??..Now as far as WHY im in the Honda section?BECAUSE I CAN BE----------Please bring to my attention even ONE post written by me that BRAGS about the KQ..I cant find ANY of my posts that BRAG about it...I mean,I BRAG soooooooooo MUCH about the KQ that I went out and bought a new 2006 Bombardier 800EFI to replace it..If you cant figure out the differance between comparing features/capabilites from one ATV to another,than im sorry if you feel offended..Anyways,ride your Honda all you want and enjoy it, because its a nice machine too.
MOTO,
I have to agree with you.One of these days,im going to STOP buying new ATVs and keep them for longer than 1-2 yrs.MAN,this practice is getting real EXPENSIVE,especially when you outfit the ATV with a bunch of aftermarket goodies everytime you buy a new one..BUT,I dont drink,dont do drugs,or smoke ect ect ect.......And ATVing means EVERYTHING to me..I beleive its a real reflection of the passion I posses for the sport and the desire to have one of the most capable ATVs on the terrain when im riding..
I swear,the Bomb 800 is my last one-----------I think[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]
You seem to be the only one in here that feels im BRAGGING about the KQ??..Now as far as WHY im in the Honda section?BECAUSE I CAN BE----------Please bring to my attention even ONE post written by me that BRAGS about the KQ..I cant find ANY of my posts that BRAG about it...I mean,I BRAG soooooooooo MUCH about the KQ that I went out and bought a new 2006 Bombardier 800EFI to replace it..If you cant figure out the differance between comparing features/capabilites from one ATV to another,than im sorry if you feel offended..Anyways,ride your Honda all you want and enjoy it, because its a nice machine too.
MOTO,
I have to agree with you.One of these days,im going to STOP buying new ATVs and keep them for longer than 1-2 yrs.MAN,this practice is getting real EXPENSIVE,especially when you outfit the ATV with a bunch of aftermarket goodies everytime you buy a new one..BUT,I dont drink,dont do drugs,or smoke ect ect ect.......And ATVing means EVERYTHING to me..I beleive its a real reflection of the passion I posses for the sport and the desire to have one of the most capable ATVs on the terrain when im riding..
I swear,the Bomb 800 is my last one-----------I think[img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/img]