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Sep 20, 2005 | 01:43 PM
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Ah yes,
but can it also be because some 4x4 Honda riders realize the shortcomings of their 4x4 ATVs and dont challenge their ATVs as much as the other big-bore ATVs do in the more serious terrains,that contribute to a longer lasting ATV?
We see this all the time in our club.
but can it also be because some 4x4 Honda riders realize the shortcomings of their 4x4 ATVs and dont challenge their ATVs as much as the other big-bore ATVs do in the more serious terrains,that contribute to a longer lasting ATV?
We see this all the time in our club.
Sep 20, 2005 | 01:44 PM
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There is not a single post anywhere to substanciate ANY of the above garbage that you accuse me of..
closed minded person such as yourself can come up with 100s of #s
Sep 20, 2005 | 01:45 PM
#64
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Originally posted by: maddog56
Really? Because I thought it was an ignorant attempt at making light of my point by drawing it to the extreme. A wheel made of stone is likely stronger than one made of wood, so reasoning would follow that users would be hesitant to use wood until it was known that the same level of reliability was availible from it. Yes your wooden whell is lighter and easier to fashion, but if you have to replace them more often at what point to the costs outweigh the benefits?
Its pretty simple if you think about it. Have you heard the saying; Its better/cheaper to do it right the first time than take shortcuts and do it twice? Same philosophy here, with better, longer testing and more thought put into the design process you end up with a final product that's better than one that was fast tracked and ushered through the door early. So when companies like Suzuki, Polaris, and Kawasaki rush to release thier big bore utes you find the high frequency and wide distribution of problems like those I listed earlier. I assure you the costs of the recalls and the hit to customer satisfaction and its impact on sales has been significant in these instances. We know what happens when products arent sufficiently worked through, we end up with Pintos exploding on the streets and the cruise control in Ford pickups setting vehicles, houses, and some people ablaze.
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
I also gotta tell you,I LOVED the comparison of the stone wheel and product improvement.Good point you made there.
I also gotta tell you,I LOVED the comparison of the stone wheel and product improvement.Good point you made there.
Its pretty simple if you think about it. Have you heard the saying; Its better/cheaper to do it right the first time than take shortcuts and do it twice? Same philosophy here, with better, longer testing and more thought put into the design process you end up with a final product that's better than one that was fast tracked and ushered through the door early. So when companies like Suzuki, Polaris, and Kawasaki rush to release thier big bore utes you find the high frequency and wide distribution of problems like those I listed earlier. I assure you the costs of the recalls and the hit to customer satisfaction and its impact on sales has been significant in these instances. We know what happens when products arent sufficiently worked through, we end up with Pintos exploding on the streets and the cruise control in Ford pickups setting vehicles, houses, and some people ablaze.
Sep 20, 2005 | 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by: propnut
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
I certainly dont need YOU to tell me about MY credability..
or your spelling
you mean newbies that don't know any better?
you are a bitter ignorant one Muddy, one with such ignorance and bias should not be a teacher (if you really are one)
On the other hand, I don't know how I'm gonna drag that log out of the woods without a brake light. And something must be wrong with my brakes because they look and perform like new. I better change to discs soon!
the only reason I can think of that your in here is Honda-envy or you were fired from your Honda job and you vowed revenge for the rest of your life. poor boy. I feel sorry for you.
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
I certainly dont need YOU to tell me about MY credability..
or your spelling
I have over 1000 students/parents a yr that remind me of how credable my opinions are to them
you are a bitter ignorant one Muddy, one with such ignorance and bias should not be a teacher (if you really are one)
On the other hand, I don't know how I'm gonna drag that log out of the woods without a brake light. And something must be wrong with my brakes because they look and perform like new. I better change to discs soon!
the only reason I can think of that your in here is Honda-envy or you were fired from your Honda job and you vowed revenge for the rest of your life. poor boy. I feel sorry for you.
Sep 20, 2005 | 02:29 PM
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Man o Man this argument comes up every week and I think its the same people making the same points every time.
Anyway, in answer to the original question of Honda and new cutting edge technology...go out and find 1 other ATV manafacturer that has a transmission anything like the Rubicon and come back and talk to me. In this department Honda is leading the way while everyone else is still using technology used by skidoos for decades, and ATV's for over a decade.
I think all these huge big bore ATV's are one big lawsuit waiting to happen. I'd say honda's staying out of that ring and waiting to see how its going to play out first...especially since they got burned with teh 3-wheeler thing in the 80's. More power in little vechicles like bikes is going to grab the attention of the sme people that lead to the ban of 3-wheelers.
At the end of the day, Honda is still leading the way in sales. I dunno if its reliability or they just have the right combination of features for the majority of the buyers. People here are enthusiasts who really push their machines and actually use features offered there today.
i guess the majority of buyers easilly make due with a simpler machine both to operate and maintain...they dont want to fool around wiht locker switches and electric gizmos..they just want tool around and honda gives them the product they desire.
Like someone else said...If honda has such a horrible product then ANY other manafacturer should pummle them in sales with all their features and price.
Anyway, in answer to the original question of Honda and new cutting edge technology...go out and find 1 other ATV manafacturer that has a transmission anything like the Rubicon and come back and talk to me. In this department Honda is leading the way while everyone else is still using technology used by skidoos for decades, and ATV's for over a decade.
I think all these huge big bore ATV's are one big lawsuit waiting to happen. I'd say honda's staying out of that ring and waiting to see how its going to play out first...especially since they got burned with teh 3-wheeler thing in the 80's. More power in little vechicles like bikes is going to grab the attention of the sme people that lead to the ban of 3-wheelers.
At the end of the day, Honda is still leading the way in sales. I dunno if its reliability or they just have the right combination of features for the majority of the buyers. People here are enthusiasts who really push their machines and actually use features offered there today.
i guess the majority of buyers easilly make due with a simpler machine both to operate and maintain...they dont want to fool around wiht locker switches and electric gizmos..they just want tool around and honda gives them the product they desire.
Like someone else said...If honda has such a horrible product then ANY other manafacturer should pummle them in sales with all their features and price.
Sep 20, 2005 | 03:15 PM
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That's because they don't design their ATV's with enough power to break anything. Honda owners also know better than to take their quads where the rest of us thrive. LOL! Oh don't get your panties in a bunch. The point Muddy4life is trying make is simply that Honda is way behind the competition. They are........period. They can rest on the Honda reputation only so long. If he or I or anybody else hurts your little feel bads by saying it.......tough ****. It's true. Why can't honda keep their simple designs for the people that want their atv to sit for 10 yrs throw some varnish in the tank, fire up and drag a deer back in from the stand (nothing more than 100 lbs. for a honda though), ( sorry just a little ribb'n) and make quad that can compete with the rest. Do you actually believe they don't want to compete with the 800 Bombi, 800 popo, brute force, or even the king quad? Get real.... they got caught with their thumbs up their a$$e$......that's it. First Yamahammer came out with the 2 stroke kill'n thumper that won a national the first year, by the time they (almost) answered that Yamahammer had that thumper redesigned and in a quad, by the time honda (almost) answered that the utility class is leaving them in the dust.
Don't get me wrong, I like honda but, it would be nice to see them catch up. Like I said I believe they were caught sleeping on the job. Just my opinion, if opinions bother you.....Oh well.
Don't get me wrong, I like honda but, it would be nice to see them catch up. Like I said I believe they were caught sleeping on the job. Just my opinion, if opinions bother you.....Oh well.
Sep 20, 2005 | 06:49 PM
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Why haven't other OEM's surpassed Honda in overall ATV sales? It's a simple question, give me a simple answer.
It's no secret that Honda has the least amount of features of any OEM. However, this has been going on for YEARS. That's right, YEARS. You'd think customers would have wised up in those many YEARS. Yet, people still buy Honda more than anything else. If every other OEM has supposedly equaled Honda's reliability, and offers more features for less money, then why is Honda still #1 in sales year after year? Furthermore, why would anyone buy any Honda ATV for that matter, when there are other options that are just as reliable with loads more features? Who in their right mind would buy a Honda ATV? I guess it's a mystery why Honda still leads in sales to this very day with a "lackluster" lineup.
It's no secret that Honda has the least amount of features of any OEM. However, this has been going on for YEARS. That's right, YEARS. You'd think customers would have wised up in those many YEARS. Yet, people still buy Honda more than anything else. If every other OEM has supposedly equaled Honda's reliability, and offers more features for less money, then why is Honda still #1 in sales year after year? Furthermore, why would anyone buy any Honda ATV for that matter, when there are other options that are just as reliable with loads more features? Who in their right mind would buy a Honda ATV? I guess it's a mystery why Honda still leads in sales to this very day with a "lackluster" lineup.