EX or Z
Dec 19, 2005 | 06:55 PM
#71
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[i]Originally posted by: [b]1bad450r[/b
What is false that was stated about the Z-400? Timing problems??? They have them.. Corrosian??? Another problem.. Cracked frames?? Yup thats a Z/KFX for you.. If you want a good beginner/intermediate track bike or awsome play/trail machine the 400ex is the way to go. Not to mention the dependability of the EX is outstanding. If you want more than that, I dont see why you would take a little tiny step up in power and jump on a Z, especially with the problems that it has. If I wanted something better/faster than the 400ex I would definatly be looking for a 450, Raptor or a Preddy but surely not a Z. And the only reason Doug is still riding that damn Z is because Suzuki has taken there sweet a$$ time with there 450. Once again the EX is a better trail machine than the Z, the Z gets spanked on the track by the 450's and seems to recieve quite a few stiff slappings through the dunes and at the drag strip by the 450's, Raptors, Preddys, DS650's and Shee's.
What is false that was stated about the Z-400? Timing problems??? They have them.. Corrosian??? Another problem.. Cracked frames?? Yup thats a Z/KFX for you.. If you want a good beginner/intermediate track bike or awsome play/trail machine the 400ex is the way to go. Not to mention the dependability of the EX is outstanding. If you want more than that, I dont see why you would take a little tiny step up in power and jump on a Z, especially with the problems that it has. If I wanted something better/faster than the 400ex I would definatly be looking for a 450, Raptor or a Preddy but surely not a Z. And the only reason Doug is still riding that damn Z is because Suzuki has taken there sweet a$$ time with there 450. Once again the EX is a better trail machine than the Z, the Z gets spanked on the track by the 450's and seems to recieve quite a few stiff slappings through the dunes and at the drag strip by the 450's, Raptors, Preddys, DS650's and Shee's.
All the problems you stated are few and far in between. Yes the 03 had frame issues, all of them? NO. Corrosion? On the new ones I guess so. But I'll bet Suzuki steps up with a fix and/or recall and takes care of the customer. Talk to Yamaha owners about customer service!!
Timing issues? Again, not all of them. Just like you guys are asking for"Show some numbers with proof". What's the percentage of problems of units sold? Show us some #'s.......
The only reason Doug was still riding a Z is because he was still DOMINATING!!! Not winning, dominating. What's wrong with taking their time bringing out the 450? The Z is a top seller, and it's still winning races. I read in this thread somewhere where Honda took there time getting the 400EX out because they wanted to make sure it was problem free. Maybe that's Suzukis approach this time. I guess it's ok for Honda but not Suzuki?
The average rider out on the dunes may take a couple beatings by all the quads you mentioned but they should be! They're all bigger and more powerful! Show me any EX with the same mods as any Z and I'll guarantee it gets beat everytime up the hill or on the flats. The ones being built for racing by Sparks, FST and a few private builds do pretty damn well against all the other "race" quads. You'll be lucky to see any 400EX trying to run in the big races anymore, and if you don't believe me try searching this site and you'll hear mention of a Z or two but rarely(if at all) an EX.
Dec 19, 2005 | 07:24 PM
#72
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Originally posted by: LTZevil400
Talk about bad info.
All the problems you stated are few and far in between. Yes the 03 had frame issues, all of them? NO. Corrosion? On the new ones I guess so. But I'll bet Suzuki steps up with a fix and/or recall and takes care of the customer. Talk to Yamaha owners about customer service!!
Timing issues? Again, not all of them. Just like you guys are asking for"Show some numbers with proof". What's the percentage of problems of units sold? Show us some #'s.......
The only reason Doug was still riding a Z is because he was still DOMINATING!!! Not winning, dominating. What's wrong with taking their time bringing out the 450? The Z is a top seller, and it's still winning races. I read in this thread somewhere where Honda took there time getting the 400EX out because they wanted to make sure it was problem free. Maybe that's Suzukis approach this time. I guess it's ok for Honda but not Suzuki?
The average rider out on the dunes may take a couple beatings by all the quads you mentioned but they should be! They're all bigger and more powerful! Show me any EX with the same mods as any Z and I'll guarantee it gets beat everytime up the hill or on the flats. The ones being built for racing by Sparks, FST and a few private builds do pretty damn well against all the other "race" quads. You'll be lucky to see any 400EX trying to run in the big races anymore, and if you don't believe me try searching this site and you'll hear mention of a Z or two but rarely(if at all) an EX.
[i]Originally posted by: [b]1bad450r[/b
What is false that was stated about the Z-400? Timing problems??? They have them.. Corrosian??? Another problem.. Cracked frames?? Yup thats a Z/KFX for you.. If you want a good beginner/intermediate track bike or awsome play/trail machine the 400ex is the way to go. Not to mention the dependability of the EX is outstanding. If you want more than that, I dont see why you would take a little tiny step up in power and jump on a Z, especially with the problems that it has. If I wanted something better/faster than the 400ex I would definatly be looking for a 450, Raptor or a Preddy but surely not a Z. And the only reason Doug is still riding that damn Z is because Suzuki has taken there sweet a$$ time with there 450. Once again the EX is a better trail machine than the Z, the Z gets spanked on the track by the 450's and seems to recieve quite a few stiff slappings through the dunes and at the drag strip by the 450's, Raptors, Preddys, DS650's and Shee's.
What is false that was stated about the Z-400? Timing problems??? They have them.. Corrosian??? Another problem.. Cracked frames?? Yup thats a Z/KFX for you.. If you want a good beginner/intermediate track bike or awsome play/trail machine the 400ex is the way to go. Not to mention the dependability of the EX is outstanding. If you want more than that, I dont see why you would take a little tiny step up in power and jump on a Z, especially with the problems that it has. If I wanted something better/faster than the 400ex I would definatly be looking for a 450, Raptor or a Preddy but surely not a Z. And the only reason Doug is still riding that damn Z is because Suzuki has taken there sweet a$$ time with there 450. Once again the EX is a better trail machine than the Z, the Z gets spanked on the track by the 450's and seems to recieve quite a few stiff slappings through the dunes and at the drag strip by the 450's, Raptors, Preddys, DS650's and Shee's.
All the problems you stated are few and far in between. Yes the 03 had frame issues, all of them? NO. Corrosion? On the new ones I guess so. But I'll bet Suzuki steps up with a fix and/or recall and takes care of the customer. Talk to Yamaha owners about customer service!!
Timing issues? Again, not all of them. Just like you guys are asking for"Show some numbers with proof". What's the percentage of problems of units sold? Show us some #'s.......
The only reason Doug was still riding a Z is because he was still DOMINATING!!! Not winning, dominating. What's wrong with taking their time bringing out the 450? The Z is a top seller, and it's still winning races. I read in this thread somewhere where Honda took there time getting the 400EX out because they wanted to make sure it was problem free. Maybe that's Suzukis approach this time. I guess it's ok for Honda but not Suzuki?
The average rider out on the dunes may take a couple beatings by all the quads you mentioned but they should be! They're all bigger and more powerful! Show me any EX with the same mods as any Z and I'll guarantee it gets beat everytime up the hill or on the flats. The ones being built for racing by Sparks, FST and a few private builds do pretty damn well against all the other "race" quads. You'll be lucky to see any 400EX trying to run in the big races anymore, and if you don't believe me try searching this site and you'll hear mention of a Z or two but rarely(if at all) an EX.
Dec 19, 2005 | 08:03 PM
#73
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How about we stop all the BS now. These two machines are both great, dependable, and lots of fun. Now everybody listen. NO MATTER WHICH OF THESE TWO QUADS YOU HAVE IT ALL COMES DOWN TO RIDER SKILL!! Thats it. Thats all. Theres no more.
Dec 20, 2005 | 12:23 AM
#76
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I would rather fix the reverse switch than have the coolant corroding the inside of my motor and leaking coolant in the oil, if I could choose between the two. Unfortunately I am experiencing some of the other KFX problems with my '03. No one can tell me any different, I'm living it first hand.
Dec 20, 2005 | 12:47 AM
#77
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From: illinois
Dec 20, 2005 | 12:56 AM
#78
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Originally posted by: KyJoe340
I would rather fix the reverse switch than have the coolant corroding the inside of my motor and leaking coolant in the oil, if I could choose between the two.
I would rather fix the reverse switch than have the coolant corroding the inside of my motor and leaking coolant in the oil, if I could choose between the two.
Dec 20, 2005 | 01:22 AM
#79
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Hmmm......let's see one problem that they install a kit and it is fixed, OR many different problems? I just might run out and buy a Z400 today.........I got a tool chest and the Z400 would give something I could always be working on! I haven't had much use for those tools with all of the Hondas I had. LOL!
Motox26, we are still waiting on your sales figure comparison..........I haven't forgot about you and all of your good reasons to buy a z400! LOL!
In a seriousness, neither machine is what anyone should buy for racing right now, as someone else has said. If it isn't one of the new 450's, then you may as well sit in the stands to be perfectly honest. (Except in GNCC racing of course where there are many classes for different machines)
Motox26, we are still waiting on your sales figure comparison..........I haven't forgot about you and all of your good reasons to buy a z400! LOL!
In a seriousness, neither machine is what anyone should buy for racing right now, as someone else has said. If it isn't one of the new 450's, then you may as well sit in the stands to be perfectly honest. (Except in GNCC racing of course where there are many classes for different machines)
Dec 20, 2005 | 01:43 AM
#80
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Actually the post you linked to said "have a kit installed". I havn't heard of the problem before this but I'm sure some info will come soon. Right now "have a kit installed" leaves it open ended but I doubt it includes replacing the whole tranny. Midnite you exaggerate every statement. "every Z has a cracked frame, stretched timing chain and water in the oil" No one ever said this, these problems are however documented and reoccuring. Do a search and see for yourself. Does the EX have some problems ? Absolutely but not to the extent of the Z. But you didn't say EX you said "because it's a Honda" which leads me back to what I said earlier, you're just on here to bash Honda and peeve as many people as possible with nonsense. You have some sort of complex because you cannot force your will on someone else and make them buy Z's instead of EX's. I trailride and the EX is just a better choice for me over my KFX. My KFX hasn't suffered any of the problems listed (knock on wood) I've been plagued with different ones. Even if my KFX didn't have one problem I still prefer the EX for my style of riding.