Yes, it will work on any limited slip front differential that actually has workoing brakes.(LOL) But, if you do this often, you will wear out your pads. You should not have to do this at all. The Rancher and Rubicon should perform as advertised.

It really does not bother me at all that the Hondas do not work as advertised, because I do not ride one. What is interesting is that some of the Honda riders are so loyal to Honda, that they get mad at me for pointing out a false claim made by Honda.

Greg

 

I see that this topic has 60 posts now. If you go back to post #3, you will see that I said that the Polaris guys will be like a dog with a bone.
It has indeed come to pass.

 

This started out as someone asking a question about the front differential. I answered it honestly and was discredited by some of you guys. I even offered to take the time to do additional observations while riding with Texmud and several others. Again, I saw what I have always seen before, and TexMud backed me up on this. I think there are some apologies due.

If nothing else, the question has been answered.

Greg

 

Whats the limited amount of posts allowed?

 

Obviously, you know a lot about this. According to you, this diff not an improvement. According to others, it is. Who is right? Perhaps Honda's engineers were not standing the quads up on 2 or 3 wheels when testing/ and or engineering this.

If anyone has personally insulted you, they should apologize. If you are expecting apologies over differing opinions, don't hold your breath.

If you think Honda is deliberately cheating (sorry, "overselling")people this diff, that is your right. When others have a Honda which they are happy with and you tell them how they have been misled, you had better expect hostility.

We all know that you think the SP 500 is the best. And in a broad sense, I agree. But what is the best for you, MAY NOT BE THE BEST FOR OTHERS.
Someone else may feel that their 220 Bayou is the best, and so be it. Not all of our worlds revolve around FWP, and who wins the mud race. People work with quads, cruise trails or whatever withour ever worrying about which wheel in the air is or isn't spinning. As long as your bike does it for you, that's the name of the game.

 

Funny how Honda owners react to certain things. A Honda owner on the Polaris board was whining about the attention a certain topic garnered over there. Now I look at this question and see all the fervor and posts, when a legitimate question got a legit. answer and some Honda owners blow a differential over it. Sheesh!

 

I guess I should apologize. I thought we were dabating fact. Does the new Honda differential transfer power to the wheel that needs it. The answer to this question is "No". Is this a matter of opinion. I do not think so. I have witnessed this many times. This differential does not work as explained. I went to the Hondas site to see their exact wording, and all I could find was in the specs and all it said is that the differential was a torque sensing limited slip. If this is what they are claiming now, I agree with them. Originally, my understanding was that the new differential automaticaaly transferred power to the wheel that needs it. It obviously does not.

You commented on the SP500 not being the best quad for all people and all places. I completely agree with you. If you will read earlier in the post, I even spent some time pointing out the weaknesses of the SP500. No bike is flawless, and no bike is perfect for everone.

As far as me expecting an apology over a difference in opinion, that is not the case. Alaskaweasel made some comments about me that I feel were not fair. All any of you have to do is read my post. I am very fair to all manufacturers.

Even when verbally abused on the forums, I very rarely respond in kind. I usually take the time to explain my point of view so the other person will not be offended by my comments. I think if others tried to do the same, the forums would be alot more peaceful. Maybe not as interesting though. (LOL)

Greg

 

Also, you point out that I say the differential does not apear to be any better than the old limited slip. I have mentioned a few times in this thread that I have seen Big Bears and Foremans that pull so well that they appear to be locked. All of the new AP Differentials seem to spin freely. If I were to agree, and say that I thought the new differential was better, I would be lying.

So, I guess this is where the difference in opinion lies, and I really don't feel the need to argue this point. Is it better... maybe. I really don't care. What I am saying is that the new differential does not transfer torqe to the wheel that needs it. If you want to argue that the new differential is better, you may be right. I know it steers easier, and to some, this alone makes it better. So, I think I am through with this topic... unless provoke further. LOL

Greg

 

First off let me say up front that the AP differential is better than a conventional differential in many ways IMO. I think the biggest advantage is ease of steering. The AP steers with much less effort than ANY conventional limited slip. Also it can be made to transfer power to the wheel with traction, IT won't do it by itself as Honda claimed, but I have been able to do it by "sawing" the handle bars back and forth. In fact the very first time I got high centered and stuck in some really deap mud, I would rock the bike to one side and the wheel front wheel off the ground would spin. I was disappointed! Just as I was about to call for the winch,and after sawing the handle bars back and forth, the front wheel on the ground got the power and it pulled me out. It has worked this way on other occasions since that first one. So I agree, it is not as good as Honda had claimed, but it is far better than the old diffs. As far as some 450's and Yamahas with limited slips "locking up," It could be due to a diff lube that creates more friction, or the clutches in the diff being adjusted very tight. Both of which would create very heavy steering.

 

Just as a side note there is a post on the High Lifter forums about "tightening" a traditional limited slip. The post states that this makes it act more like a locker.