First of all, my understanding is that a 700 Grizzly has about 49 hp. I don't know what a Rincon has.

Some really good comments so far. To be clear, I know that Honda still holds the majority marketshare, and I figured that alot of it probably comes from the Rancher line.

My opinion though is that Honda currently sells alot of product with it's name, not with it's offerings (if that makes sense). I think alot of Honda buyers are also at an older generation. As younger generations get older, I think we will see Honda's marketshare fall unless they come up with some new exciting products. And it's not just their flagship big bore that I'm talking about. Wouldn't it be nice if they at least offered an IRS version of the Rancher?

I just think that if Honda would quit being content and starting making exciting products that they would not only hold their current market share, but that they would actually increase it by attracting younger, more recreationally focused riders.

 

I can see that, tho IRS is heavy compared to the solid axel in use. . .It is also more expensive to make which will bring the price of the Hondas well above other co. price. there for placing them out of reach for some buys. . .i think honda is riding a very fine line because they are charging the maximum they can and getting it because its "honda" just like their cars. . .no frills just honda. normally i would go for something more sporty something exciting as you talk about (im 22) but when i was looking for a wheeler i was thinking more about generations of great products. . .i also went and road at a lot of the local places we ride and found that the hondas here have very very little down time. . .as opposed to the polaris. . . .

i still cant find the RWhp for the 700 Rancher. the 42hp quoted above is RWHP for that quad. as is the 39hp for the 650. . .

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: 2kredz3

I can see that, tho IRS is heavy compared to the solid axel in use. . .It is also more expensive to make which will bring the price of the Hondas well above other co. price. there for placing them out of reach for some buys. . .i think honda is riding a very fine line because they are charging the maximum they can and getting it because its "honda" just like their cars. . .no frills just honda. normally i would go for something more sporty something exciting as you talk about (im 22) but when i was looking for a wheeler i was thinking more about generations of great products. . .i also went and road at a lot of the local places we ride and found that the hondas here have very very little down time. . .as opposed to the polaris. . . .



i still cant find the RWhp for the 700 Rancher. the 42hp quoted above is RWHP for that quad. as is the 39hp for the 650. . .</end quote></div>


I find your numbers about the RWHP of the 700 Grizzly being only 3 above the 650 Rincon VERY hard to believe. Could you post some sources?

 

Formula,

I can agree on maybe 1 or 2 things about the rincon. It would be nice to have a front diff lock on the rinny but since owning mine I have had no use for it. I do alot of mud riding and water riding and it is every bit as capable as my Sportsman 600. The only edge with my sp is the weight. Most people/almost all people that have the rincon love the auto tranny as I do also. I can pick the gear for any hill and have PLENTY of power to climb any hill. As for my sp600 if you get a hill steep enough you have to rely on the belt and there has been times that I have gotten to the top of a hill and wished I could shift. My rincon has never made me feel that way. As foe handling there is NO other utility (renegade not included) that handles the way the rincon does. It feels sporty and light. No matter who I ride with if they have a bigger bore quad than mine I still leave them behind in the woods and tight trails. Im not out to drag. With my mods I am a tad faster than a sp700 and grizz 660. Prior to the mods I was about 3-4 quads behind in a drag. Yes the 650 may feel underpowered but easily fixed. I agree that the rincon is not with the others in power but its not bad for a single cylinder 680cc. Yes it could use a front diff lock but then again its not a mudder. Its a sport utility. I think power steering is ok but not needed at all. Thats just getting lazy. Other than that the suspension, handling and being able to keep the weight down is ahead of the others. Rumors has it that Honda is going to up the cc of the rinny, add power steering and revamp the tranny but keep the same automitive style tranny. They do need to keep up with the competition but power is not everything if you are not reliable.

 

Honda is not stupid
They have plenty of market analysts
they build what is needed
If they seen the market need for a big ATV they would produce it
I believe if a larger displacement quad is to come out from Honda it will be in a form of a side-by-side
State your beginning post on Rinconriders.com and see what you catch

----- Gimpster -----

 

somewhere in this thread someone posted that the crank hp was 46 and the rwhp was 40. . .i dont think it is that low but i wanted a good fight between the two so i put 42 [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

http://forums.atvconnection.co...13/threadid/494743.cfm

 

Arctic Cat (suzuki engines, except the kawi-powered V2, and arctic cat's own H1):
500: (2003 and up have slightly detuned Vinson engine): 32hp @7000rpm, 34 lb-ft torque at 3500rpm (pre-03 had 28/30.5)
300: 14hp
650 V2: (close to prarie 650)

Bombardier (Rotax engines):
Outty 800: 62hp @ ? rpm, 52tq @ 5500rpm
Quest 650: 42hp
Outty 400: 28hp

Honda:
Rincon 650: 39hp
Foreman 450: 24hp
TRX 300: 16hp
400EX: 27hp
300EX: 21hp
TRX450R: 42hp (questionable)

Kawaski:
BF750: 51hp
Prarie 700: 46hp
Prarie 650: 42hp
V-Force 700: 51hp

Polaris:
SP700: 45hp
SP500: 30hp
SP500 HO: 38hp (same as scrambler 500)
SP800: 55hp/50tq

Suzuki:
KQ700: 49hp
KQ300: 14hp
LT500: 53hp
Eiger 400: 25hp
Vinson 500: 34hp

Yamaha:
Grizz 660: 42hp/35tq
Warrior/Wolverine 350: 18hp

These are brake hp ratings (BHP) from the factory... there will some variances from quad to quad (usually within 1-2 hp/tq of the above ratings). Hope this helps someone out there.... "

This part from Arcticchat from green goblin

Alot of new quads coming out. Here's too name a few.....Bomber 800cc HO, Bomber 650cc HO, Rincon 775cc etc....but how do they really compare to the V2, H1, Brute 750, P800, KQ700 in terms of gross HP at engine by weight stock.

Though I would start a list, but will need some help.

Outy800, 62 hp at 639 lbs = 0.097 hp per lb
Outy650, ?hp at 649 lbs

BF750, 51 hp at 600 lbs = 0.085 hp per lb
P700, 46 hp at 600 lbs = 0.077 hp per lb
P650, 42 hp at 600 lbs = 0.070 hp per lb

AC650 V2 SE, 42 hp at 711 lbs = 0.069 hp per lb
AC650 H1 SE, ?hp at 693 lbs
AC700 EFI SE, 49hp at 694 lbs = 0.071 hp per lb

Rincon650, 39hp at 600 lbs = 0.065 hp per lb
Rincon700, ?hp at 600 lbs

SP800, 55 hp at 770 lbs = 0.071 hp per lb
SP700, 45 hp at 770 lbs = 0.058 hp per lb

KQ700, 49 hp at 603 lbs = 0.081 hp per lb

Grizz660, 42 hp at 600 lbs = 0.070 hp per lb

http://forums.atvconnection.co...26/threadid/507354.cfm

 

Off topic, but the warrior has more hp than the 300ex right?

 

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/o...atv_um0030107_649.pdf


http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/o..._atv_um0030190_675.pdf

 

Some people have no use or need for IRS. I hate IRS personally. I like solid rear axles and that was one of the deciding factors on which quad I bought. My point is not every person wants what you do or what I do. Why do you think Honda put the power steering on the 500, Because they sell more 500's than the big bores. It all comes down to pampering you biggest market which is the middle class.