see thats what i figure but a buddy got a 525 polaris and his dont have much body roll but i prolly just get a 450r

 

Don't get caught up in the fact that the XX is a "700"! If you must have a big bore, an SRA Raptor 700 would most likely suit your riding conditions way better.

And there are lots of other factors to consider, like power/weight ratio. The 450's weight in at around 350 pounds, where the XX is over 500. You do the math and tell me who has the huge 150+ pound weight advantage here.....

 

I think what a lot of people forget is that everybody is not small enough to be comfortable on one of the little 450's. A man-sized individual would be way more inclined to enjoy a full day's ride on the 700.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: PurePrairie

I think what a lot of people forget is that everybody is not small enough to be comfortable on one of the little 450's. A man-sized individual would be way more inclined to enjoy a full day's ride on the 700.</end quote></div>

I think I read that the 700xx is shorter than the 450R. Either way the 450's are far from little. I can sit on my yfz then move to the 700R and you can hardly tell a difference in dimensions other than it sits higher. I doubt that the 700xx will be much different than the 450R as far as comfort goes.

 

So the 140 lb. weight difference is attributable only to the motor and IRS parts? Every quad I've sat on that weighed as much as the 700xx like the DS650, Scrambler and V-Force were way, way more comfortable to me than any of the 450's.

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: PurePrairie

So the 140 lb. weight difference is attributable only to the motor and IRS parts?...</end quote></div>

Ya, that is how I'm understanding it. I've also read that the 700xx is weighed oiled, with battery, and fully fueled. The 450's nor the 700 raptor are. The weight difference between it and the Raptor 700 was more like 40 or 50 pounds after that was taken into consideration. Keep in mind that this was what I was reading on various review sites and mags. So, take it for what it's worth.

As, far as comfort, I have not riden any of those you listed but, I'm 6'2" about 230 and after a long hard day of riding the ONLY thing I would change about my yfz is the stiff thumb throttle. Some have issues with the seat but it doesn't bother me the slightest.

Out of curiosity, as far as ergonomics what it it about those that you prefer over the 450?

 

I just feel completely cramped on a YFZ, the Hondas are a little better but just not comfortable enough for an all-day ride. I need some room to spread out. I'm a little bigger than you but I'm seriously surprised that you feel comfortable on the YFZ, every time I've seen one its had a 150 lb. rider on it.

I wonder why Honda would report the dry weight differently than everybody else? That doesn't seem that bright of a move to me, the first thing I thought was why would anybody buy this over a 525 Outlaw but in reality its probably not that much heavier than the Polaris.

 

You know come to think of it I bought my yfz used. It has a Houser steering stem and a aftermarket set of bars. That maybe giving me more stretch-out room than other yfz's?

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: PurePrairieI wonder why Honda would report the dry weight differently than everybody else?</end quote></div>


Honda has made a big deal out of the fact that they are the only manufacturer that give a true and honest weight of the machine the way you will ride it...that is a wet weight with a full tank of gas, oil, and other fluids, etc.

Some manufacturer's come up with weights that were so far off, that you suspect that they put helium in the tires just to get a better reading.

Another example is of how manufacturers work is how Suzuki measures ground clearance under the engine, and not under the swingarm....they are of course just plain lying, to make their product look better on paper!

 

<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: reconranger


Another example is of how manufacturers work is how Suzuki measures ground clearance under the engine, and not under the swingarm....they are of course just plain lying, to make their product look better on paper!</end quote></div>

Ya, that is just ridiculous. I was reading an article about the 450's and it had stats and specs of them side by side. The suzuki had like 4" or 5" more ground clearance which, is funny considering they have 18" tires.

I do have to say even though honda's weights may make more since it's nice to have a standard. Kinda of like the HD-DVD vs BLU-Ray issue. HD-DVD may have been a better spec but, I'm willing to sacrafice to have the same standard across the board.