Rubicon has 33.4 hp just to keep our facts straight.

 

That's why I mentioned the 420 rancher. There's a 2wd one used for sale relatively close to me that I may consider looking at, a 2010 model for $1800. I do have an old Honda fourtrax 300 2x4 but I bought it because I wanted something cheap to ride temporarily and plan to trade or sell it(maybe for the 420 rancher) Its a great machine that starts and runs good but they're geared so low that there's not much top end to speak of, like to have something a bit faster. I actually like the size of the Rancher too. Its not huge and heavy like the bigger utility machines and not small and cramped like a Recon or something like that. For someone at my size, 5'11" and 200 lbs, a Rancher is almost a perfect fit. Power isn't everything but not having enough power to be exciting makes for a dull atv. I was referring to not wanting a NEW Honda, since for the 8K or more that a new Rincon would cost, I'd rather have something else and I really cant justify spending that much for anything. If I were to spend that much money, I'd rather have power in excess, that's just me. Moot point since I'm not looking for new machine anyway so actually my original statement is sort of irrelevant. Spending 2K for a used machine is a different story though and a 420 Rancher in that price range would be something I would consider buying and is very high on my list. And btw, I don't think a 650 outlander is cheaper than either a 700 Grizzly or Rincon but yeah it would smoke either one of them in a drag race. Both the Grizzly and Rincon would probably hang with it for a little while but once that Rotax v-twin gets going, it would be gone. Even the 500 outlander makes more power than the Rincon and about the same as the 700 Grizzly. Problem is, even used, outlanders are still very expensive. I was intrigued by a used 800 outlander(not xt)with 900 miles on it for sale locally for $4100, about an hour drive away from me. Way more than I want to spend but I don't think I'll see another one with low miles like that for that price again. Here it is http://carbondale.craigslist.org/snw/4531667406.html

 

The sportsman run great or it would be long gone. I do not drive anything that does not work the way it should.
But the Sportsman was awd rocket sofa ride compared to my Foreman , so that's why I ditched it.

 

I currently own a Rancher 420, have owned a 300 4x4, and 2x4, and last Saturday put 40 miles on my Dads Rincon. I'm currently looking for a new ATV and Honda is NOT on the list. I want IRS, a locker, and PS. Not going to get those on any one Honda. I was not impressed with the Rincon at all. We were riding a mix of trails and old logging roads. It seemed to always be in second gear,running at a higher RPM than I thought was acceptable, and I did not think it rode any better that my SRA Rancher, which I would have rather been riding. I was surprised that I could not lose the 4 seater Razor that was following me. I had to slow way down for the water bars that the Razor just floated over.

Im looking at the Grizzly and King quad, will end up going with which ever I can get for the better price.

 

just saying but my 1992 yamaha timberwolf 250 (225cc) got 21.6hp..... i do 70kmh+ with bear claws 23" i have 5 speed and power wise a 6th is required lol it rev to death on the 5...


most farmer do not need more than a moto 4 with low range 225cc..... i thing we hauled a 1 ton tree with that thing with 2 guy on the front to add weight and even then the moto 4 wanted to backflip


Grizzly is nice kingquad is nice too i rided the kinqquad 750 one time this thing is confortable and powerfull... but the grizzly with the new 2014 engine is probably as powerfull.

Both are better choice than honda... even heard of a farmer using can am outlander without problem 10 + so honda seriously need to do something with their lawnmower based atv...

 

I'd give a slight edge to the Grizzly, though I've never even rode a King Quad, I'm sure its a very nice machine too. The 2014 Grizzly does have a modest power increase over previous models. In the end, it will probably come down to trying out both machines and seeing which one you like the best.

 

Honda has it all but will not give you it all in one package.
They should offer the 680 Rincon with its IRS but with the Rubicon tranny with its low range and the new 500 Foremans awd diff locker.

 

Except power, all their machines are detuned. Granted the 700 Grizzly and 750 King Quad are less powerful than the rest, but the Rincon is dead last in hp, most of the 500cc machines have more power. Power, like money, isn't everything but its better to have more than you'll ever need as opposed to feeling like you don't have enough. There's a reason why no other manufacturer offers the automotive-style 3 speed automatic, it just doesn't work for an atv. Its never in the right gear, that's why cvt transmissions are great. They always keep the engine in the right powerband no matter how fast you're going or what load is put on the machine. No, they're not perfect but they're the best option outside of shifting for yourself which nobody wants to do in a utility machine unless they want a Honda.

 

the 500 can am is a twin that eat alive the 680 honda...

 

honestly as much as i love Honda i refuse to even think about them till they get their heads out of their asses a release something with both IRS and a diff lock. also not a fan of that 3 speed tranny since apparently it's a sealed unit and has to be fully replaced if something happens which is very expensive