Today I wired in the hookups for the 2 modules to test tomorrow...and of course I had to make sure everything was working ... right... with the modules both disconnected, my quad was stronger than ever... I would highly reccommend everyone ( especially owners of '02 650 Prairies ) that feel the power has fallen off, look at the secondary clutch for bushing wear... mine was totally shot, to the point of prematurely wearing those "golden" belts... anyway, even without a module installed, it's a whole new machine... preliminary ( unscientific runs ) with both modules ( more looking to make sure I had them both wired correctly ), showed no difference in acceleration & top speeds... tomorrow is another day though, as DIRTYWHITEBOY, is coming clear over here to help & take part in these tests... the GPS's, laser range finders, & stop watches, are ready... I just finished wiring & testing my tach... we will attempt to document as many variables as possible, I will post the full results late Sunday or Monday morning

of course we'll have to go pound the trails along the Mississippi ( for fun ) after all the work is done

Again, my "seat of the pants" impression, is that there is little difference in performance between the modules, but tomorrow, science will tell

...WAM

 

It's Sat the 16th 5:30 pm....WHAT'S THE RESULT'S????? LOL

 

Maybe the modules were too powerful? I hope he is OK.

Power still out at his place?

Newbeetle? No difference between modules?

 

It's Sunday...3:30 pm, Mike is everything all right? wonder if they got the module test done or maybe they got put in jail for "hot-rodding"???LOL....we are on pins and needles here.....WHAT ARE THE RESULTS????????

 

I think he said on a different forum that the results would be posted Sunday night or Monday morning.

 

Since the temperature here in Minnesota is over 90 degrees again, we will know if there is an overheating problem as well. Perhaps newbeatle will end his test 10 pounds lighter than when he started!!

 

has the dust finished settling yet??? I just got back from trail riding over at the river... we really needed a little ride time after sweltering temps & a full day of testing

A special thanks to my local riding buds Dan & Andy, & DIRTYWHITEBOY for coming over ( 5-6 hour drive ) just to help & take part in the tests, & side track me with some Prairie 700 tests...it was very very hot & dusty

First off I know that there will be people out there, who will dispute the results of these tests... to them I reply in advance, believe what we tested, or test them yourselves, or STFU...

We started out running some base lines with my '02 650 Prairie, with improved air intake, bigger dyno jet jets, & a Big Gun Pendland Series exhaust system...A brand new '03 primary, & secondary clutches, & a new tight 360 belt, & new stock Dunlops, on stock rims,... the 2 modules were both tested on my quad

We also ran Dan's stock '03 650 Prairie, with 26" X 9" Goodyear Mudrunners... & a slightly loose belt

We also ran Bob's ( DIRTYWHITEBOY ) '03 650 Prairie, with 26" Bear Claws, with & with out the black secondary spring, & an interesting expirement with his 700 Prairie's primary spring

The test runs were all performed on my gravel driveway, & the gravel road in front of our place... admittedly all the times would have been faster, if they could have been performed on pavement, but all the recorded times were as consistant as could be expected... some of the times on the shorter distances were faster in 4 X 4 mode, as wheel spin was some times 100 + feet... all times are an averaged time of the 3 runs for each one

Sorry, I'm still having problems with my computer shutting down, when hooked up on line... so I'll keep editing this post until I like it, & cut & paste the results on the other forums... I didn't like how the times posted after they were entered on the forum, so I removed them, &will find a different way to do it...

>>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >

100 ft times on my quad...

2WD no module, 4.15 sec. ...
4WD no module, 3.96 sec. ...
2WD Naber mod. 4.21 sec. ...
4WD Naber mod. 3.92 sec. ...
2WD D.G.R.mod. 4.01 sec. ...
4WD D.G.R.mod. 3.81 sec. ...

100 ft times on DWB's quad...

2WB blk sprg. 4.20 sec. ...
4WD blk sprg. 4.11 sec. ...

100ft times on Dan's quad...

2WD 4.27 sec. ...
4WD 4.10 sec. ...


200ft times on my quad...

2WD no mod. 5.80 sec. ... 42mph ( speedo average )
4WD no mod. 5.63 sec. ... 42mph ( speedo average )
2WD Naber mod. 6.15 sec.
4WD Naber mod. 5.76 sec.
2WD D.G.R. mod. 5.72 sec.
4WD D.G.R. mod. 5.83 sec.

200ft times on DWB's quad...

2WD blk. sprng. 6.16 sec. ... 42.5mph ( speedo average )
4WD blk. sprng. 5.97 sec. ... 41.0mph ( speedo average )

200ft times on Dan's quad...

2WD 6.16 sec.
4WD 5.58 sec.


300ft times on my quad...

2WD no mod. 7.81sec. ... 46.0mph ( speedo average )
4WD no mod. 7.59sec. ... 45.0mph ( speedo average )
2WD Naber mod. 7.81sec.
4WD Naber mod. 7.36sec.
2WD D.G.R. mod. 7.61sec.
4WD D.G.R. mod. 7.33sec.

300ft times on DWB's quads...

2WD 650 bk. spg. 7.92sec. ... 47.5mph ( speedo average )
4WD 650 bk. spg. 7.63sec. ... 46.0mph ( speedo average )
2WD 700 Prairie 7.36sec. ... 49.0mph ( speedo average )
4WD 700 Prairie 7.52sec. ... 44.5mph ( speedo average )
2WD 650-700 sprg. 7.84sec. ... 46.5mph ( speedo average )
4WD 650-700 sprg. 7.71sec. ... 49.0mph ( speedo average )
2WD 700-650 sprg. 7.53sec. ... 49.0mph ( speedo average )
4WD 700-650 sprg. 7.21sec. ... 48.5mph ( speedo average )

300ft times on Dan's quad...

2WD 8.57sec. ... 45.0mph ( speedo average )
4WD 7.53sec. ... 44.0mph ( speedo average )


200ft 20mph rolling start times on my quad...

2WD no mod. 4.09sec. ...
4WD no mod. 4.02sec. ...
2WD Naber mod. 4.26sec. ... 44.0mph ( speedo average )
4WD Naber mod. 3.99sec. ...
2WD D.G.R. mod. 4.06sec. ...
4WD D.G.R. mod. 3.93sec. ...

200ft 20mph rolling start times on DWB's quad...

2WD stock 700 P. 4.20sec. ... 47.0mph ( speedo average )
4WD stock 700 P. 4.08sec. ... 45.5mph ( speedo average )


1/2 mile top speed runs ( level ground ) my quad...

2WD no mod. 38.36sec. ... 58.5mph ( speedo average )
2WD Naber mod. 36.90sec. ... 60.0mph ( speedo average )
2WD D.G.R. mod. oops... uncompleted run I will run this early this next week

1/2 mile top speed runs ( level ground ) DWB's quads...

2WD 650 blk sprng. 38.39sec. ... 58.5mph ( speedo average )
2WD 650 stock sprng. 38.00sec. ... 59.0mph ( speedo average ) ... 54.5mph ( speed on GPS )
2WD 650-700 sprng. 36.37sec. ... 60.0mph ( speedo average )
2WD 700 P. stock 35.52sec. ... 62.0mph ( speedo average ) ... 57.2mph ( speed on GPS )
2WD 700 P.-650 sprng. ******** ... 62.0mph ( speedo average ) ... 56.2mph ( speed on GPS )

1/2 mile top speed runs ( level ground ) Dan's quad...

2WD 37.38sec. ... 59mph ( speedo average )


>>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >


Equipment used during the testing included; 2 - talk about radio's, 3 - GPS's, 1 - laser range finder, 2 - stop watches

INTERESTING SIDE NOTES: look for these as soon as I really have time to look through the results, & before I forget anything...both modules seemed to unleash the power at the low end, but as the process of how they work, takes place in less than 1 second, I'm not surprised that times were decreased by only a fraction of a second, over stock with the modules... the shorter timed distances are subject to driver / timer induced variables, ( such as reaction times, wheel spin etc. ) just by the nature of the test... I'd look at the 300 foot times & 1/2 mile speeds as being easier to duplicate concerning accuracy ... the 200 foot 20mph start was probably the most difficult to perform without driver & or starter / timer error, but we wanted to run this test for reasons concerning the "fishermans tale" of needing to reset the modules ... in all fairness to both modules, we did our best to perform all tests the same, & fought the urge to try to better the times, by leaning down to cut wind resistance, etc... also the module runs were run back to back, so there was little difference between the condition of the marked course, however the no module runs were run early on & admittedly the course was probably a "little more packed" at the start than at the end of the runs... It was my intention to run the 28" tires, but we thought the spring tests & runs with DWB's 700, would be more useful data... as it was, we were out in the heat, humidity, & dust, from about 9:00 am untill 8:00pm, with just a few breaks into the air conditioned house for cold water & caffine... the 4 X 4 tests were run with & without the front diff lock, which really didn't seem to effect times at all...the speedo errors were huge, on all quads tested, stock tires or not, compared with the much more accurate GPS times... I'd be happy to compare engagement speeds of different primary springs at a later date, as I did get my tach installed before the runs... more later... WAM

 

Looks like i might have to take out my black spring for drag racing.

 

The suspense is killing me.

Newbeatle....must.....edit..........PO.....S....T. ....before shutdow..........n


So far the 100' times are equal and we can think that human error will explain the times, they are all within .3-.4 seconds of each other, basically a zero difference in my book, but in a drag race maybe a few feet over the competition.

Can't wait to see the 200' and longer timed runs.

 

BBERTRAM... you are right, I feel like Captain Kirk..............Must..........Egage........Pho.. ...ton........Torpeado......... LOL......... maybe its time for a tune up or an upgrade on this old ( 2 years old ) Gateway laptop, especially after watching some of DWB's streaming vidio, from his "helmet cam" on his laptop while he was over........LOL........WAM

I am curious as to the preload & working load PSI difference between the EPI "pink" spring, the Dalton "blue" spring, & the stock V / P 700 primary spring... the 700 spring was the same length as the 650 spring, but had more coils ( the coils were closer together ), ... WAM