Im with mikey.....I dont think it would benefit me a whole lot
beings I never hit the rev limiter anyway
I already got the DG holeshot and off set key
they work just fine......IMO

 

If the timing graph they have on Dyna site is right, it will improve performance all the way through.

The stock CDI go to 28 degrees at 4,000 Rpm's and starts falling off at 6500 rpm, it goes down to 20 degrees at 8200, where our stock rev limitor is.

The new CdI goes to 33 degrees at 3800 and stays there until rev limitor at 9200.

Anyway you look at it, it will have more performance. How much more top end speed, I would guess not alot, because clutches are already shifted out and cams will be maxed out at 7800, but will get to top speed much quicker. maybe 2-5 mph depending on other mods and clutching.

The question to ask is will it work with the modules we have now, for bottom end, because the new CDI doesn't leave 5 degrees until 1700 RPM's. We'll all have to put on the red spring which engages at around that rpm.

 

ya... I agree with MIKEY, in that with a stock Prairie, with a degree Key, & a ( pick a brand ) module, you will probably get "most" of the horsepower you are after, or that is available, without internal mods, I also agree with SHOTGUN, in that yes the cluches & weights are already fully shifted out... this means that the only way to get significantly more top end ( not acceleration ), is to increase the RPMs that your quad will run... how many more RPMs that your quad will pick up ( stock ) on the top end with only the timing retard reduced, is probably only 3-4 more mph...It is still questionable weather you'll have the power to reach the rev limit... however having the FST cams in my big bore kit, the additional timing at top end, & additional rev limit... I'd expect to blow the doors off a stock 700 Prairie with a degree key & module... even with out the CDI, these big bore kits rock... ( a buddy of mine ( who regularly races an '03 650 Prairie ), had to move my 750 across the warehouse, that I have it stored in, he rapped on it like he would have with his quad, & laid rubber for 20-30 ft, until he let off of it... he came into my office, with his eyes WIDE open, & said that, "that thing scared the crab out of him" )... this is what I'm looking for, not "most" of what is available ... so you can be sure that a Dyna CDI will have my name on it...

 

Mike, I'm with ya.

I found it interesting that on HL web, they said the pbr ran mechanical timing on their mod p700

I talked to dyna, tried to buy one or two, no way, won't be out until next month, no price and can't reserve. first order of 400.

 

I noticed that also, and wondered whos box he was running or if he ran one off of something else that he had to adapt to his.

 

I put that first post on H/L at 5:00 AM my time, It only made it a couple of hours before it was yanked.

 

I posted this, in hopes that it will remain, we'll see... either way, this is my interpretation of the new data...

"At the risk of sensorship & falling from the graces of the High Lifter crew... PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE REMOVING...

IMO, with a "stock" Prairie, ( stock will be refered to from now on as no internal modifications, except the addition of adding a 4*-6* flywheel key ), & a ( pick a brand ) module, you will probably get "most" of the horsepower / Accereration you are after, or that is available, in fact, you may not see any difference on a "stock" quad, between ( for example ), the High Lifter Module & this "new" much more expensive CDI...

The clutches & weights are already fully shifted out, long before the stock rev limit... this means that the only way to get significantly more top end ( not acceleration ), is to increase the RPMs that your quad will run... how many more RPMs that your quad will pick up ( stock, using a new CDI with a raised rev limit ) on the top end with only the timing retard reduced, is probably only 3-4 more mph, you may see that same improvement with the High Lifter module ...It is still questionable weather you'll have the power to reach the rev limit...

However having the radical cams that are in my big bore kit, the additional timing at top end, & additional rev limit... I'd expect to blow the doors off a stock 700 Prairie with a degree key & module... even with out the CDI, these big bore kits rock... ( a buddy of mine ( who regularly races an '03 650 Prairie ), had to move my 750 across the warehouse, that I have it stored in, he rapped on it like he would have with his quad, & laid rubber for 20-30 ft, until he let off of it... he came into my office, with his eyes WIDE open, & said that, "that thing scared the crab out of him" )... this is what I'm looking for, not "most" of what is available ... so you can be sure that the "new" CDI will have my name on it...

If my interpretations of the data are correct, you would not want to have a degree key on a machine with the "new" CDI... However the posted timing curve of the "new" CDI, indicates that it would still benifit alot on the bottom end from the addition of one of the modules, if this is the case, for me, the "new" CDI, along with the High Lifter module, will literally turn my lead sled into a rocket ship...Just what I am looking for...WAM"

 

i like highlifter....i like their products.....but i beleive it is in the best interest of all to have open discussion about all things that concern our machines ..... i have several products from them, and several they dont sell...have discussed them all at one time or another and the didnt pull my thread......i dont understand their cencorship policy......and they didnt seem to be the types to run scared when a product came out that was in competition with them.....Hmmmmmmmmmmm go figure?![img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

 

Good luck keeping anything on the HL site about this cdi. They must have someone there 24/7 just to yank them off. I am in the process of testing their "power pak" against some other modules and I already know i can't put the results on their site. My initial tests indicate that it is just another oscillator box, plain and simple, new frequency, same old trick. I was told directly by Dan at HL that it has one part that none of the others have, although he also said they don't care about looking at the others? I have the circuit board exposed, and found the schematic right from the datasheet of the chip they are using. No special parts, just from the datasheet. I will have pics of the outputs and circuit board to post once I have finished the tests. I will also test their results against any of the new cdi's that come out. I suspect from my conversations with more informed people than myself that a module may give a stock machine 90% of the performance for 30% of the cost, especially with an offset key installed. If someone ventures into the realm of big bore kits, cams, porting, and so on, I think the cdi's are the only way to go. Of course the next question them is who's? There is already another cdi about to be released soon.

 

On a side note, I think you will find the modules cannot effect the new igniter. It has no retard or reverse map of 10 degrees from which to switch from. That is also why there is no reverse limiting function, and no reduced power mode for the belt fault detection. The speed sensor input will not be needed for anything on this igniter. Don't believe HL's half truths, modules cannot give you any more timing than what is pre-programmed into the standard timing map. I have just mapped the curves for all three Kawasaki/Mitsubishi 21119-1589, -0004, and -1629, and they were all identical up to 6500 RPM at 28 degrees max.