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Feb 20, 2004 | 02:30 AM
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Kawy,
I have not worked with Vortex, I do not know what the timing curve is or how it is mapped so I can't be positive it is the same. Although Dyna has promised me they are going to produce a cdi for the V as it is much simpler to manufacturer than the P. I am not sure of the final timing curve the V will have or the top end either. More testing is needed to make sure the motor can handle the extra oomph the cdi will provide. So far it has been discussed the V cdi will have the same timing curve with a higher rev limit, not sure of the higher limit. It maybe out around the same time as the P, time will tell but it is on the way.
Prairie633,
If you are interested I can give you a few of the modules I have, along with the readout of the HL module it would be interesting to see what frequencys they produce. I had done some testing more than a year ago to find out that like you say to many HZ's can over clock the cdi which would make the cdi revert to its previous timing mode. Basicly the same high frequency used on the 03/04 newer system would not work on the 02 version. I did however tell HL I would find out what the frequency they were using, post it along with results from the other modules just to let everyone now!!
I have not worked with Vortex, I do not know what the timing curve is or how it is mapped so I can't be positive it is the same. Although Dyna has promised me they are going to produce a cdi for the V as it is much simpler to manufacturer than the P. I am not sure of the final timing curve the V will have or the top end either. More testing is needed to make sure the motor can handle the extra oomph the cdi will provide. So far it has been discussed the V cdi will have the same timing curve with a higher rev limit, not sure of the higher limit. It maybe out around the same time as the P, time will tell but it is on the way.
Prairie633,
If you are interested I can give you a few of the modules I have, along with the readout of the HL module it would be interesting to see what frequencys they produce. I had done some testing more than a year ago to find out that like you say to many HZ's can over clock the cdi which would make the cdi revert to its previous timing mode. Basicly the same high frequency used on the 03/04 newer system would not work on the 02 version. I did however tell HL I would find out what the frequency they were using, post it along with results from the other modules just to let everyone now!!
Feb 20, 2004 | 08:27 AM
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Alltoys, HL will put you on their watch list just like they did me. Anyway, since all of the modules basically use the same kind of 0 to 5 volt clock waveform, the only thing I need to test the effect of any of them is their respective frequencies. I have the HL module, an old DG one, and a new DG one with an adjustable frequency that they sent me to test. My HL module was about 3 kHz before I removed it and 10.8kHz after extraction. There was a timing resistor loose on one end. I don't know if I broke it loose removing the cheap RTV sealant. The calculated frequencies with and without it match the 3 and 10.8 kHz values. If you measure and tell me the HL's frequency, I would know which it should be. If they are using the lower frequency, they should have removed the resistor completely. Once I have finished testing, I can post the actual output signals from the oscilloscope to show everyone that HL's claim that it is different is false, the proof is in the output, same output, same effect.
Feb 20, 2004 | 04:39 PM
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Prairie633, if Alltoys wasn't on their watch list before, he definitely is now!!! Especially after that post he made and Steve O's response. I suppose if anyone claims that a new CDI will out do a module is working for DT. It's impossible for a module to outperform a CDI that delivers timing throughout and with MORE timing on top of that. I think they have a product that they can sell and market to those who really don't need that extreme acceleration and top end, but just want a little boost at the bottom. But to try to say it is as good or better is asinine. I tried to reply to that thread, but the reply button wouldn't work.
Feb 20, 2004 | 06:22 PM
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I need one dang mod stuff keeps getting me in trouble, I have to beg just get her to let me look at my catalogs when they come in the mail. Then I am alway told I better not be spending more money. I've been waiting for this to come out so I wouldn't have to do the the whole key module thing.
Feb 21, 2004 | 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by: alltoys
<DIV class=postcolor>Some misconceptions I have read hope this will help. I to have had a test cdi to punish with respect adverse weather conditions mostly performance modds. Any of you who now me I have exceeded the less than one percent of performance junkys. I can tell you this is the whole package especially for the major portion of people who want to annihilate their buddys. More timing, more top end, a solid timing curve right to rpm limit, what can a person ask for it is all there.
The first test units had a different timing curve but through testing we managed to improve on the curve and yes drop the limit it was around 10,000 rpm. 99% of all of the users will not get above 8500 rpm because cam timing, exhaust, there is a list of limitations keeping the quad at a lower rpm mostly cams are the big restrictor. People who have the big bore kit will be able to bounce off the limiter, at 9200 rpm it will be exhilarating to say the least. With my modds I can reach 11,500 in 300 feet with a custom ignition and custom modds. I have said many times on this forum and others that I will never go back to a OEM cdi the benefits outway the restrictions posed on the OEM system.
9) Most important advantage: IT IS A PLUG AND PLAY SYSTEM!! Don't have to cut wires for holeshot, don't have to install a key. A whole package by just plugging it in!!!!!!!!!
I wonder if HL has had some cancellations of their Power Pac module?????</DIV>
<DIV class=postcolor>Some misconceptions I have read hope this will help. I to have had a test cdi to punish with respect adverse weather conditions mostly performance modds. Any of you who now me I have exceeded the less than one percent of performance junkys. I can tell you this is the whole package especially for the major portion of people who want to annihilate their buddys. More timing, more top end, a solid timing curve right to rpm limit, what can a person ask for it is all there.
The first test units had a different timing curve but through testing we managed to improve on the curve and yes drop the limit it was around 10,000 rpm. 99% of all of the users will not get above 8500 rpm because cam timing, exhaust, there is a list of limitations keeping the quad at a lower rpm mostly cams are the big restrictor. People who have the big bore kit will be able to bounce off the limiter, at 9200 rpm it will be exhilarating to say the least. With my modds I can reach 11,500 in 300 feet with a custom ignition and custom modds. I have said many times on this forum and others that I will never go back to a OEM cdi the benefits outway the restrictions posed on the OEM system.
9) Most important advantage: IT IS A PLUG AND PLAY SYSTEM!! Don't have to cut wires for holeshot, don't have to install a key. A whole package by just plugging it in!!!!!!!!!
I wonder if HL has had some cancellations of their Power Pac module?????</DIV>
What other mods are necessary to get full benefit from 'the plug and play system' without going into the engine. My Prairie is totally stock except for springs, tires, etc. Thanks for the info and help.
Feb 21, 2004 | 02:13 AM
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RebelDS,
I gather I will be on HL's hit list, it seems as though who doesn't conform to the HL bolstering program is edited. One more thing I am not affiliated with Dyna or any other cdi manufacturer. I have however contributed to testing of more than one cdi company. I have a good amount of experience with ignitions that I must say are a world above the unit soon to be sold by Dyna. I thank my lucky stars that this company has asked me test their system, they have changed a few things at my request plus they have suggested things to see my reaction. This is what is called collaboration to get the best of all applications a general purpose performance gain for a moderately priced piece of plug and play hardware. I wish I had a few hundred thousand to put into this venture but I do not I have to pay just like everyone else. All I can say there is a little of me in every unit sold by way timing map that is all. perchance in the future Dyna may make a programmable cdi that would be right up my alley but for now I will have to settle with my HPX and Ducati system that are totally programmable.
Kawiyowee,
For total modds to get full benefit of the cdi, wow, that can be a long list. Basics are definitely a new exhaust or modify the one you have to save a few bucks this will produce at least 5 HP. Intake to go along with the exhaust, jetting, tires are a big factor with respect to rolling resistance, the next is cams probably right up there with exhaust and intake. Just for fun I changed my 27 inch Outlaws for 27 inch 589s, the 589s are only 1# lighter per tire but allowed for another 10mph on the top end alone. Plus I have remachined my clutch to get another 15 mph out of the top end. My modds are extensive, stick with exhaust, intake, and cams this will help immensely to hit the 9200 rpm limiter. With exhaust and intake you will get another 1000 rpm for sure this has been verified with my friends P650 that is totally stock except muffler and intake ( jetting ). A final note because the old cdi will only allow for the quad to go up to roughly 7700 rpm mostly because of timing retard you can expect to reach 8700 rather easily. These other minor modds will help to reach 9200 don't be disappointed if you can't reach it right away do one modd at a time and see what it does.
Prairie633,
I will get back to you on the modules, should be fun, I can see a permanent dislocation from HL,.....LOL!!
I gather I will be on HL's hit list, it seems as though who doesn't conform to the HL bolstering program is edited. One more thing I am not affiliated with Dyna or any other cdi manufacturer. I have however contributed to testing of more than one cdi company. I have a good amount of experience with ignitions that I must say are a world above the unit soon to be sold by Dyna. I thank my lucky stars that this company has asked me test their system, they have changed a few things at my request plus they have suggested things to see my reaction. This is what is called collaboration to get the best of all applications a general purpose performance gain for a moderately priced piece of plug and play hardware. I wish I had a few hundred thousand to put into this venture but I do not I have to pay just like everyone else. All I can say there is a little of me in every unit sold by way timing map that is all. perchance in the future Dyna may make a programmable cdi that would be right up my alley but for now I will have to settle with my HPX and Ducati system that are totally programmable.
Kawiyowee,
For total modds to get full benefit of the cdi, wow, that can be a long list. Basics are definitely a new exhaust or modify the one you have to save a few bucks this will produce at least 5 HP. Intake to go along with the exhaust, jetting, tires are a big factor with respect to rolling resistance, the next is cams probably right up there with exhaust and intake. Just for fun I changed my 27 inch Outlaws for 27 inch 589s, the 589s are only 1# lighter per tire but allowed for another 10mph on the top end alone. Plus I have remachined my clutch to get another 15 mph out of the top end. My modds are extensive, stick with exhaust, intake, and cams this will help immensely to hit the 9200 rpm limiter. With exhaust and intake you will get another 1000 rpm for sure this has been verified with my friends P650 that is totally stock except muffler and intake ( jetting ). A final note because the old cdi will only allow for the quad to go up to roughly 7700 rpm mostly because of timing retard you can expect to reach 8700 rather easily. These other minor modds will help to reach 9200 don't be disappointed if you can't reach it right away do one modd at a time and see what it does.
Prairie633,
I will get back to you on the modules, should be fun, I can see a permanent dislocation from HL,.....LOL!!
Mar 17, 2004 | 07:37 PM
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I just sent them an e-mail last Monday and they responded with the std answer they are giving everyone else...that they have a tentative release date in early April and no price has been set as of now.
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