After reading threads and talking to dealerships, and many hours of research, i went and purchased a P650. i'm not an experience Atv rider, but i have ridden some. i have been to Nyroc's website, and others, and i can say that heavily weighed on my decision. We have a p400, which is actually my father inlaw. The p650 and 400 are totally different machines.
Its hard to be easy on the accelerator, I wanted to tear up the fields where I live. and I probably got on it a little harder than what i should've. So i went ahead and used the throttle limiter, and my top speed now is about 30 mph. my questions are this, SHould i really take it easy on the p650 in the first 10 hours. and Should i get serviced at a dealership after i get 10 hours on it. I've read some posts, and to tell you the truth i don't know if i want to let them get their grubbies on it. What should I do.

I was a die hard honda man, don't know why for sure, but i wanted a honda. But my inlaws 400 p has been a rock, he hasn't had it at the dealership once and its a 98. Well i did take it to the dealer to get the recalls performed on it, but thats it.

Also I paid 6300 dollars plus tax(6615.00). Plus i got a helmet with sheild for 50 bucks, and I got 50$'s off the first visit to the service. I think I got a good deal since the other dealer in my area wouldn't take less that 6500 + 100 freight and setup + tax(6930) and another dealer wouldn't budge from 6999 + tax. Any insight would be appreciated [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/img]

 

Yeah, take it easy. There are a million different oppinions about breakin. Stomping the gas and revving a cold new engine is the worst. Don't put synthetic in the engine for 500-1000miles. Change the front and rear diff oils often, with the right oil.

It is very hard for us to say whether you should let the dealer fix it. If they are smart (and use Nyroc's Knowledge Base), then you will be very happy with the machine.

If your dealer has no clue, they will turn your 650 into something very problematic. The 650 should be very reliable. Some people that have gone to incompetent dealers have been so unhappy with their 650 that they have sold it.

On the other side of the coin, taking care of the belt and shifter adjustment are relatively easy. If you get used to reading up on how other people do stuff (and you get a manual and some tools) maintaining it yourself will not only be a lot cheaper, but it will also be as reliable as any honda.

 

Suggestion #1.... Get a factory service.
The clutch/belt servicing seems intimidating at first, but isn't ,after you have gone thru the old learning curve.
Follow the manual on break-in, then let'er rip! Oh yeah, there are a few noises, that will soon become normal to you.
Enjoy the ride...........................

 

Noises?
The tranny whines. The gears are straight for reduced weight and friction. makes a whine.
The KEBC motor whirrs when you stop, turn it on or off. KEBC is our friend.
The tranny has some gear slack, which makes a minor click, usually most audible going slow in low range over rocks and bumps.
Keep the fuel valve off when storing it a long time or towing.
A loud ratchet sound when decelerating in low range means it needs to have the shifter adjusted.

That smell you notice around other quads? It's fear.

 

Well , some of us have been here before when it comes to dealing with the break in. I built engines (car, truck, and motorcycles for 25 or so years and although a lot of the advice you'll get here is to follow suggested recomendations I wouldn't advise it. Break it in like you're your going to ride it!!!! I've said this many times on this forum, but usually without explanation. If you UNDERREV an engine when breaking in, you form a wear line in the top of the cylinders where the pistons and therefore rings start their travel back down the bore. When you do rev to max after this wear line has been formed, due to the extra inertia forces the pistons and rings are forced into unburnished territory which breaks over the original wear pattern causing uneven wear which in turn causes premature failure. This phenomenon is not restricted to just the engine parts mentioned above. It is the same with all wear parts in an engine.

I'm sorry if this explanation is not well stated, but I've built um better than I can explain um.

If you need warrantee work, it was done by the book as far as anyone needs to know. If it don't , I like the term, RIDE IT LIKE YOU STOLE IT! Believe it or not it will last longer.

Guys, I'm not trying to step on anyones toes here. This is what years of experience has proven to me to be a fact or I wouldn't be passing it on.

 

Chachie, Dangerous is right about underreving.

Generally speaking it is also not very good to run it a lot at the same RPMs. So don't go too slow, and don't stay at the same speed.

Some engines scuff the metal on the pistons when run full throttle a lot during breakin. You are wise to not run at or near full throttle for a while.

 

I prefer to temper my engine by running it "at different speeds" but not over revving it. This heats up the engine, then I stop for several minutes and let it cool off. I repeat this process for the first several hours. As far as run speeds go I would estimate 25 mph as avg speed I break mine in at. Everyone has their own opinion on the subject and thats mine. AGAIN, the heat up cool down method is most important to me.

 

Sorry Nyroc; but what I'm saying is romp and stomp it from the word go if you want it to last. If it wasn't put together right you'll know it up front. It was never intended to run or it wouldn't have broken.
Warantee will cover it while new. I've seen too many people have engines suffer from premature oil consumption or lack of power strictly because of weak break in practices not to speak up.

 

Dangerous, I'm with you man. I took it pretty easy for the first tank or two of gas, then I rode the bejesus out of it. On my first two tanks of gas, I varied my revs quite a bit, and let er fly with a few short WOTs. I was told by a very experienced engine builder the exact thing you have stated-----give er $hit!!! I saw this guy rebuild a motor out of a hemi cuda, ran it for about ten minutes checking timing and basically listening to it, and then stomping the pedal and letting er rev to about 7000 rpm. That engine still purrs like a kitten to this day and he rebuilt that motor about 5 years ago. Gotta be something in that "break it in like you're gonna ride it".

 

Mastrblastr, Dangerous

You hit it dead straight, let her warm up and smoke on her like you would normally ride if its going to fail its better it does it while on warrantee. I t doesn't hurt an engine to take up to maximum rpm and let it come down just don't hold it at max or it will fail. I have raced 1/4 mile drag bikes for years and if it didn't go bang the first time out chances are it will last. I have treated the Green Machine fairley hard for 1 1/2 years mudd bogs, hill climbs 1/4 mile drags with nos the machine comes back smileing every time. Its actually scratching at the door right now wanting to go out and play. Let your concience be your guide its you who has to live with yourself if something goes wrong. The bike is unbeleivably strong, the "V TWIN" is a powerful asset between your legs, hump on her she will like it and so will you. Have fun that's the main thing.