I was out of line, I shouldn't have said that, I apologize.But come on a more user friendly Cannondale? Doesn't anyone want no comprimise performance anymore?

 

What a bunch of little **** and moaners

!!! You're calling us "**** and moaners" !!! Pot, kettle - black.

Have you ridden an FX???

If not, how can you possibly suggest that they lighten it by 15 lbs, give it a more aggressive timing map & raise the redline (which already exceeds most of the 2 strokes you continuously praise)

I've ridden one, and feel that they likely optimised the bottom end to develop MORE power. The thing had a 2 stroke powerband before, I bet they did some tuning to bring out some of that hiding bottom end.

Have you ever tuned a fuel injected vehicle? I have 2 - one has a flash EEPROM that I can change on the fly, the other a regualar PROM that I have to burn chips for. I burn new values into the code and try them out all the time. I can tell you for certain that there very nice gains to be found by spending some hard earned hours tuning. Their recent announcent about teaming with a fuel injection company leads me to believe they've done just that, as the basic character of the engine can't be changed by fuel injection or timing mapping alone.

 

Second thought, I renig on the apology.Simply stating my feelings on the situation at hand and negative comments come from GabeIE **** master.What does it matter if I have ridden an FX? You have to have personally ridden a machine to hope for improvments? In a release about the "Cannibal" it said it has a more user friendly powerband and weighs more than the standard FX, and that does not sound too exciting.You can tune the hell out of your cars EFI, good for you, I can go get my owners manual the same, would that make me sound smart too.. Hey News Falsh, Yamaha has Added 10 pounds to the Banshee and put dents in the pipes to decrease the hit, better go get one while you can!!

 

That made a whole lot of sense... It's all becoming clear.


You have to have personally ridden a machine to hope for improvments?

! You're kidding right? How do you claim to know what needs improving if you haven't experienced it yourself?

In a release about the "Cannibal" it said it has a more user friendly powerband and weighs more than the standard FX, and that does not sound too exciting

Weight - steel wheels, everyone know's that they'll likely be changed before the quad even makes it off the trailer into the garage.

User friendly powerband doesn't necessarily mean less power, In my estimate it means more - not necessarily peak HP, but average HP. You do know the difference don't you? Which would you rather have, an engine that developed 45 Peak HP at 7000 RPM, but dropped significantly on either side of the band, or an engine that developed 42 peak HP but held that thru several thousand RPM?

You can tune the hell out of your cars EFI, good for you, I can go get my owners manual the same, would that make me sound smart too..

Guess I don't understand your comment. Are you suggesting that I got my manual and regurgitated some info?

Let me give you a little background. One of my systems on on my Corvette. It is an aftermarket system made by Electromotive. It has direct fire ignition, and phase sequential port injection. It is tunable on the fly via my laptop. I can datalog many parameters as well for later analysis.

My other system is a factory TPI system out of a Camaro. While others buy "Hypertech" chips for their cars, I program my own. I could show you the hack for the factory GM calibration program that I use to alter values and tune it if you like. This system requires a little knowledge of hex, an EPROM burner & UV Eraser & a good working knowledge of FI in general.

This system was originally an '85. I converted it to use the later ECM and code from an '89 car. This engine is also translplanted in a full size truck, which has caused some unique tuning requirements from the factory calibration. I use my laptop & a program written by another enthusiast to monitor and datalog info from this ECM. I have written a MPG on the fly calculator routine that integrates into this program. It uses known values from the ECM like (pulse width, MPH, injector lb/hr, etc) to do the calculations to display fuel mileage on the fly - pretty neat stuff.

So yes, I now a little about fuel injection and it's internal workings.

Hey News Falsh, Yamaha has Added 10 pounds to the Banshee and put dents in the pipes to decrease the hit, better go get one while you can!!

If they did that and cut $1000 off the price, you'd be stupid to not buy one if you were in the market. As those are items that will be instantly replaced by better aftermarket stuff anyway. It would be like getting free aftermarket stuff and some boot money.

Look at it a little deeper than surface value. Cannondale put on a couple of cheap parts that are VERY likely to get replaced anyway & improved the fuel injection mapping - then decreased the price to move more units while at the same time saving face and not having to lower the high price of their FX. Smart thinking if you ask me.


Second thought, I renig on the apology.

I thought your apology was a nice gesture given your nasty attitude most of the time, should have known it wasn't sincere.

 

Hey Gary, what exactly do you want?

 

I have noticed that Gabe has not been posting much lately (like many of us). And now that I do see some posts it ends up being in the form of an argument with Mr. Manilow. It appears to me that Manilow would much rather argue and complain than go out and ride. No wonder people get fed up with this forum!

I am not going to join in on the argument but I will offer my $.02 and you can take it or leave it.

You don't need to ride a quad to make some general conclusions about it. I didn't need to ride a Raptor to know that they are too heavy, narrow, and too high center of gravity for my tastes. But to make statements about raising the redline and lowering the weight on a quad that already has a higher redline and less weight than any other sport quad is rather ludicrous.

I agree with Gabe that the wheels and shocks are likely to be replaced anyway, so the smaller pricetag may be a blessing. I am still excited about a new high performance quad and am looking forward to seeing the rumored "MX" version.

 

Me to. Although, the bargain quad might be the way to go, then install your own personal choice of components.

 

Gabe, the apology was sincere, but usally an apology is preceded by an "I accept" or "its cool" or something of that nature, where you just referred to me as being a Black Pot.The Red line and weight comment, yes the Cannondale already has a high redline, but 1,000 less than the bike hence my general suggestion to raise the Redline.The weight statement,its already the "lightest in its class" who the hell wouldn't want it lighter? its 355 now and your impressed with it, imagine it at 345 or 335, its called improvement.I don't know about you gabe, but I like a hard hitting powerband, I enjoy it, it makes the bike "feel" fast and makes the rider more aggresive. On the "cannibal" they made the powerband more "user friendly" I don't like nor need anything user friendly, I would have liked to hear they made the damn thing less user friendly, I want user friendly, I'll buy a Po'laris.That was real impressive all that crap about fuel injection, I know stats and figures about a fair amount of complex working machines, should I post them here...I'm not the one with a nasty attitude, I just simply state my opinion, which you must disagree with or something and that brings insults or I guess comments with a degrading undertone from you, I'm just telling the truth and sometimes the truth aint the easiest thing to accept.RidzHard what do I want? Thats a pretty hard question to answer, I want a Job where I get paid 50$ an hour to ride Quads all day and a whole bunch of land in northern Wisconsin and Urban sprawl to Stop in its tracks and to be able to go back in time to change bad things that have happened (and buy a whole bunch of 89 250Rs!)

 

O.K. I really don't feel like arguing but I agree with GaryManillow about making the quad "detuned". But I also agree with the rest who would change these components anyway. Also, 1000 will get you the shocks you want and wheels, probably even some padles too. I have one question though, why is it that no matter what Manilow says you always get pissed off at him and start your bitching and whining?

 

I forgot to mention, it is not under 6,000 it is under 7,000.
I am sure everyone on this forum would like that job Manilow!!