Im getting sick of this!!!!
#11
Originally posted by: MUDDY4LIFE
One problem we have here in Michigan is that some of the old die hard off road motorcyclist want their trails no wider than 22 inches,and the ATVers want their trails at 50 inches or more.BOTH user groups pay the same 16.25 to use the trails.Problem is,is that the Cycle Conservation club [CCC] are the ones that are doing most of the ATV trail maintenace and most of the grant sponsers could give a damn less about maintaining our 50 inch trails to SPECs?But they get paid $$ out of OUR 16.25 ORV trail fund to bring the trails to specs and it just is not happening,in most cases?IF the 4x4 Pickup trucks you seen were on a designated ORV ROUTE,than they have as much right on the trail as you do because they also pay their 16.25 to ride the same trail.There is a lack of ''brotherhood''between user groups and this does nothing to enhance our sport in this State.Until far MORE ATVers get their a$$es to Lansing Mich and start speaking their peice to the ORV leaders that are ''suppose''to represent the publics concerns and ORV interests,there will be no ''hurry''to make many things better in this State for ATVers?Im only ONE voice and they cant hear me.Bill
One problem we have here in Michigan is that some of the old die hard off road motorcyclist want their trails no wider than 22 inches,and the ATVers want their trails at 50 inches or more.BOTH user groups pay the same 16.25 to use the trails.Problem is,is that the Cycle Conservation club [CCC] are the ones that are doing most of the ATV trail maintenace and most of the grant sponsers could give a damn less about maintaining our 50 inch trails to SPECs?But they get paid $$ out of OUR 16.25 ORV trail fund to bring the trails to specs and it just is not happening,in most cases?IF the 4x4 Pickup trucks you seen were on a designated ORV ROUTE,than they have as much right on the trail as you do because they also pay their 16.25 to ride the same trail.There is a lack of ''brotherhood''between user groups and this does nothing to enhance our sport in this State.Until far MORE ATVers get their a$$es to Lansing Mich and start speaking their peice to the ORV leaders that are ''suppose''to represent the publics concerns and ORV interests,there will be no ''hurry''to make many things better in this State for ATVers?Im only ONE voice and they cant hear me.Bill
Will they go to this weekend's "high security" and exclusive club meeting with some demands in their hands?........or will they all get there and just be thankful for the "fellowship of the moment" and that the club expensed out some cooked "wieners" for them all to suck on?
I have never met a more pitiful bunch of "yes-men" in my entire life.
People who have effectively set our atv program back at least 3 years and turned away COUNTLESS numbers of willing volunteers in the process.
Potential volunteers who would not be treated like they were second-class citizens and did not appreciate a bunch of fellow members jumping down their throats when the very issues that these members are now leaving over.............were "unthinkably" brought forward and shouted down (or simply BANNED).
Let's see how many of these people show up at the STATE orv board meeting and who has the ***** to tell these administrators what the hell has been going on for all this time and WHAT they want done about it.
Who's willing to take a bet right here that the "yes men" at that meeting outnumber anybody that ever quit that club over "procedure" or just average citizens who believe in holding our representatives accountable........... by 3 to 1?
Sorry, but we don't DESERVE any more than we have ever received in regards to atv-related issues here in Michigan. [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/img]
#12
John,
your right, and I dont wanna hear anything from those that just sit on their a$$es and bitch to others,but dont attempt to at least go and have their voices heard in Lansing Mich.As you well know it,silence has virtually got us NO WHERE in this State in regards to advancing our ATV privelidges,and these ''yes men''that belong to a certain club here in Michigan shall soon see the dismay of their decisions to keep silent and just go with the exsisting program?
I dont doubt that your figures will be accurate either.
No YES MEN here!
Bill
your right, and I dont wanna hear anything from those that just sit on their a$$es and bitch to others,but dont attempt to at least go and have their voices heard in Lansing Mich.As you well know it,silence has virtually got us NO WHERE in this State in regards to advancing our ATV privelidges,and these ''yes men''that belong to a certain club here in Michigan shall soon see the dismay of their decisions to keep silent and just go with the exsisting program?
I dont doubt that your figures will be accurate either.
No YES MEN here!
Bill
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