This has been an interesting peek into the minds of m/c riders. But in my state and Ill bet in the rest of the country, bikes on the trails are becoming a rare sight. Face it quads are here to stay. We already outnumber bikes and the ratio will continue to rise as babyboomer bike riders get to old or to tired to ride. You all make good points about trail damage,fools,and drunks on quads. The points are moot. You will never defeat us,we are here to stay.So get mad, or get over it. It just doesnt matter. I live in a state were private and public riding areas are plentiful. They are heavily regulated by rangers and expierienced riders. If the things you describe happen here,they are dealt with. Either by the authoritys or by a little back trail justice.These morons you describe are told to clean it up or get out. No whining about their rights, or threats are tolerated. You either clean it up, get out, or your a$$ is getting kicked. Im afraid you blue state guy on the coasts are fighting a losing battle. The liberal mindset is just to ingrained. I know this will anger many in the two wheel crowd. But you are going to have to deal with us. Quad sales are the only reason you can buy a new bike. With out our money the major manufacurers would have folded long ago. So bike riders you have only one choice. Accept us or fade away. Its your choice. Because we have won.

 

" Accept us" " we have won"

Nothing more Ignorant has been said in this thread..

 

I agree. Must be one of those arrogant quad riders I have heard about. Really helping the situation. Bottom line, with a outlook like that we ALL lose. Great job.

 

mywifesquad,
well,when I find a dealership that is not adhering to the dealership agreement in regards to these ATV safety classes,they get a visit from me..I REMIND them that they MUST inform their buying customers of these classes ''properly''.

The problem here is that the buying customer has signed the ATV RIDER COURSE form and that REALLY is ALL the salesman has to tell me.At closing time of a deal on an ATV,a customer signs their name to this form,it is saying that the salestaff of the said dealership has CORRRECTLY informed that customer of the safety/enviro issues of ATVs and has also properly informed that customer of when and how to acheive free safety courses.I really dont have a recourse at this point,however,if I find REPEATED complaints from the same dealership,my next visit will come with some added threats of involvment from the Consumer Product Safety Commission.If a warning from them dont work and I still receive complaints,I'll contact the Dealerships FRANCISE and make them aware that they have a potential dealership that is NOT adhereing to the Dealership agreement form they signed when they took on the dealership.

PROBLEM?
Most salestaff BLOW by this sheet so fast and do not PROPERLY inform their customers of safety issues that could arise out of improperly operating their new ATV and they just say that SOMEBODY will call you for a free class,PLEASE SIGN HERE!All this in about 15 seconds or less.

When I close a deal,I READ EACH SAFETY LINE and make my customer understand that riding an ATV can be hazardous if certain precautions are not adhered too.They are also told of the incentives to take a safety course,how much they will learn in 4 hours,and WHERE/HOW to find one in their area.

ALL dealers since 1988 are OBLIGATED to do the same thing for every ATV purchase,most dont because there is no $$ involved in it for them to profit on.

 

Im not fending for this guys[trekboer] comments,but ATVers took some kind of the same BS from a few cycle riders in the thumpertalk forum.I dont agree with his total outlook of the situation at hand,however,it is true that more issues need to be directed to the ever INCREASING use of ATVs.

I would not be opposed to having seperate trails for each user group.BUT,if this happens,I will not support trail maintenance for a cycle only trail with my ATV dollars,or vicsa/versa.

 

Call me ignorant if you want. No skin here. I consider myself a realist. I own my own farm, ride every day for work and pleasure. Then on weekends go to my state run off road park. I live the life.All your cant we all just get along ideas sound o-so wonderful.However are completly useless. You want to stop these fools who are causing trouble? Stop them!! Dont go to a post board and whine about it. Come to mo. and ride our areas. You wont see these thing often. When they do happen they are dealt with.You can boo hoo the bad feeling between the two groups all day long. It means nothing. It exists and always will. Two different worlds,two different attitudes.Unless you can organize a huge percentage of the riding population youll never have the political clout to accomplish anything of substance (examples the ama and the blue ribbon coalition). The chance of this happening is nile. . I expected anger. But not a one line insult. Pretty weak. Come on lets have a meaninful debate. Not name calling when someones opinion differs. I realize im lucky in the fact that I live in an area friendly to atvs. No local or state rep. would dare offend us. My point is in certain parts of the country your in a no win sitch. Most riders have jobs, familys,businesses or in my case a farm to run. What little spare time we have we ride. Its not that people dont care. Its that they dont have time. If you do then fight on. As for me and mine. We take care of the probs. we see. Being a farmer I guess my attitude is see a prob fix it. You call that ignorant. I call anything else foolish and a waste of time. I find it interesting that everyone on this post says lets cooperate. Then a different opinion arises and you revert to insults. So I assume its ok to post here as long as I agree with weak solutions. sorry boys aint gonna happen.

 

Muddy, If there is a state tract of land and it is open to ORV use, Your paying for Bikes, as well as quad use whether you like it or not, as it should be. This is the whole point, by Saying you DONT or WONT support bikes with your trail funds is just wrong. The Point is that with your Funds you should be supporting open access to public land period because I tell you what, Once one group or the other loses, who do you think is going down next? The Hatfield and McCoy trail system runs both bikes and quads and have Single track only Bike routes as well as dual use routes. The Money isnt seperated out by user depending whether he be on a bike or quad, its put into the total developement of the area, as it should be.

 

So BB, who in MI are we watching out for?

 

KTM70GUY,
With all the bitching going on about how cyclist dont want ATVs on THEIR single track trail because they draw up two rutts on it ect ect ect,and how some want their OWN single use,cycle only trail system,than thats good---------THEY can PAY for it!!

I NEVER said I would'nt support CYCLE ONLY trails,however,if it ever comes to that,I DONT want MY ATV rider funds going to support their CYCLE ONLY trails....

WHY in the world do I want to add ATV funds into the SAME ORV trail Kitty and watch cyclists enjoy the priviledge of being able to ride ATV trails AND CYCLE ONLY trails,but I cant ride their cycle only trails with an ATV?

Its just flat WRONG for one user group to ask for a CYCLE ONLY trails and think that im [ATV user] going to feel good about adding my $$ to support it.Especailly when there's about 3-1 odds in ATV use that favor these trails.

If cyclist want their OWN 2-track trails---GOOD!!!!Then PAY for it,stay off my ATV trails and dont expect me to help fund your riding adventure.

 

For the same reason Bikers funds support ATV trail ways? IM not aware of state funds collected for ORV use being divided amongst who actually gives it? Do Bike Riders want to ride Miles and miles of swamp lands that atvers create? No. Are the bike funds kept from THAT trail system just because it's unsuitable for Bikes no? It makes no difference. I guess you Oughta pay closer attention to your taxes also, because if your like Me, Your Taxes go to fund Schools, Even if you have no children in them, go to Road improvements, even if you dont drive on it.