Obummer's EPA is at it again.
Nov 7, 2012 | 05:57 PM
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If it wasn't feasible why do the Canadians sell us gobs of oil made from oil sands? It's looking to the future. They explore, see what's there and use it if feasible and not right away if it isn't.
Remember a house thats divided cannot stand so goes for a country and the godless people running it.We reap what we sow and even the bible states that.
Nov 7, 2012 | 06:54 PM
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Nov 7, 2012 | 07:46 PM
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what do you think happens to the water in the ocean? you are familiar with basic planetary / earth science, right?
you are aware that organic material just didn't stop decaying millions of years ago, right?
Nov 7, 2012 | 08:50 PM
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Beergut, there's really no reason to condescend. I'm not sure when you started disliking me, but a bit of respect would be appreciated. Or not, whatever makes you happy.
Yeah, all I'm telling you is that weather patterns don't drop fresh water in the middle of the country, or apparently India... Or in Africa, considering the expansion of the desert.
2.5 to 4 barrels of fresh water is required for each barrel of tar sands turned into usable oil. Shale oil is even worse. A thousand gallons of desalinated seawater cost about 4 dollars. Then, because Colorado isn't exactly coastline, it has to be shipped. What you get is barely net positive energy.
Canadians have invested tens of billions of dollars in developing tar sands collection and refinement, and still can't even meet U.S. demand. Once again, we're dealing with oil Shale.
Yeah, all I'm telling you is that weather patterns don't drop fresh water in the middle of the country, or apparently India... Or in Africa, considering the expansion of the desert.
2.5 to 4 barrels of fresh water is required for each barrel of tar sands turned into usable oil. Shale oil is even worse. A thousand gallons of desalinated seawater cost about 4 dollars. Then, because Colorado isn't exactly coastline, it has to be shipped. What you get is barely net positive energy.
Canadians have invested tens of billions of dollars in developing tar sands collection and refinement, and still can't even meet U.S. demand. Once again, we're dealing with oil Shale.
Nov 7, 2012 | 08:52 PM
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All the water used turns into this gorgeous use of land.
http://peakwater.org/wp-content/uplo.../tarsands3.jpg
Yeah, I'd take a windmill over that any day, and yes I'd pay 4 dollars at the pump over that as well.
http://peakwater.org/wp-content/uplo.../tarsands3.jpg
Yeah, I'd take a windmill over that any day, and yes I'd pay 4 dollars at the pump over that as well.
Nov 8, 2012 | 05:56 AM
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here's a tar sands facility!
looks pretty clean to me.
and you're right about the water, it's used to make steam to recover the tar sands. yep, steam, it's all recovered, not wasted. cause if people are gonna be accused of wasting water, then we better quit boiling water for hot baths, hot cocoa, hot tea, hot coffee, etc....we might lose too much to evaporation which eventually goes to the sky, forms clouds, forms precipitation, forms heavy precipitation, and falls like rain or snow. depending upon the season and location.
looks pretty clean to me.
and you're right about the water, it's used to make steam to recover the tar sands. yep, steam, it's all recovered, not wasted. cause if people are gonna be accused of wasting water, then we better quit boiling water for hot baths, hot cocoa, hot tea, hot coffee, etc....we might lose too much to evaporation which eventually goes to the sky, forms clouds, forms precipitation, forms heavy precipitation, and falls like rain or snow. depending upon the season and location.
Nov 8, 2012 | 08:49 AM
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From: rindge, nh
Beergut, there's really no reason to condescend. I'm not sure when you started disliking me, but a bit of respect would be appreciated. Or not, whatever makes you happy.
Yeah, all I'm telling you is that weather patterns don't drop fresh water in the middle of the country, or apparently India... Or in Africa, considering the expansion of the desert.
2.5 to 4 barrels of fresh water is required for each barrel of tar sands turned into usable oil. Shale oil is even worse. A thousand gallons of desalinated seawater cost about 4 dollars. Then, because Colorado isn't exactly coastline, it has to be shipped. What you get is barely net positive energy.
Canadians have invested tens of billions of dollars in developing tar sands collection and refinement, and still can't even meet U.S. demand. Once again, we're dealing with oil Shale.
Yeah, all I'm telling you is that weather patterns don't drop fresh water in the middle of the country, or apparently India... Or in Africa, considering the expansion of the desert.
2.5 to 4 barrels of fresh water is required for each barrel of tar sands turned into usable oil. Shale oil is even worse. A thousand gallons of desalinated seawater cost about 4 dollars. Then, because Colorado isn't exactly coastline, it has to be shipped. What you get is barely net positive energy.
Canadians have invested tens of billions of dollars in developing tar sands collection and refinement, and still can't even meet U.S. demand. Once again, we're dealing with oil Shale.
but just doing 5 minutes of actual research turns up many articles- some in support of your argument, and many against it.
the credibility of data is what wins a debate- and in the few minutes of free time I have to actually fact-check your points of view- from what I can see, it's the source you're using to support your claim that has me scratching my head. Like many of your other arguments- you're not taking many other variables into account.
there is no shortage of hydrocarbon fuels on this planet (liquids, gaseous & solids) everything on this planet- everything is eventually recycled and becomes part of the planet again.- whether or not it gets tossed into a fancy green bin- there will still be oil / fuel 15 generations from now-
off topic- but the argument that humans are destroying this planet is such a silly one- it drives me nuts! The phase this planet is in right now- being able to support intelligent life is such an anomaly- what we humans have done in the mere millisecond of time compared to the earth's age is so insignificant - people forget this planet has spent the majority of it's existence as a violent inhospitable rock with oceans of acid and atmospheric anomalies that would destroy a human in a blink-
****- I'm late for my hep B shot.... later
Nov 8, 2012 | 10:03 AM
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Beergut, there's really no reason to condescend. I'm not sure when you started disliking me, but a bit of respect would be appreciated. Or not, whatever makes you happy.
Yeah, all I'm telling you is that weather patterns don't drop fresh water in the middle of the country, or apparently India... Or in Africa, considering the expansion of the desert.
2.5 to 4 barrels of fresh water is required for each barrel of tar sands turned into usable oil. Shale oil is even worse. A thousand gallons of desalinated seawater cost about 4 dollars. Then, because Colorado isn't exactly coastline, it has to be shipped. What you get is barely net positive energy.
Canadians have invested tens of billions of dollars in developing tar sands collection and refinement, and still can't even meet U.S. demand. Once again, we're dealing with oil Shale.
Yeah, all I'm telling you is that weather patterns don't drop fresh water in the middle of the country, or apparently India... Or in Africa, considering the expansion of the desert.
2.5 to 4 barrels of fresh water is required for each barrel of tar sands turned into usable oil. Shale oil is even worse. A thousand gallons of desalinated seawater cost about 4 dollars. Then, because Colorado isn't exactly coastline, it has to be shipped. What you get is barely net positive energy.
Canadians have invested tens of billions of dollars in developing tar sands collection and refinement, and still can't even meet U.S. demand. Once again, we're dealing with oil Shale.
You are supporting our argument that oil extraction is feasible by the fact the Canadians are doing it.
