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#81
03-27-2013, 02:06 PM
Excess of anything is bad news. Too much water can kill, but you need some to live.
Every empire has fallen... no matter what the system of government. The current ones will fall too. They will keep changing until they go too far, the people revolt, and a new government is set up. Or they will choke themselves financially. Or they will be conquered by someone else.
What russia had was social, but it was also a nanny state with a big big brother with an iron fist. Its really a poor example.
Look at the world: List of countries by health insurance coverage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Socialism seems to be thriving in lots of places and the US is no where near being social in comparison.
Study:
The 34-nation Organization for Economic Cooperation (OECD) released the results of its most recent study of the health care systems in its member countries, including the U.S., plus six others, for a total of 40. And those results are illuminating.
The OECD report is just the most recent evidence that Americans are not getting nearly as much bang for the health care buck as citizens of most other developed countries -- and even some countries in the developing world.
The OECD found that the United States spends two-and-a-half times more on health care per person than the OECD average. The U.S. even spends more than twice as much as France, which many experts contend has one of the best health care systems on the planet.
The average expenditure per person in the U.S. is $7,960, a third more than in Norway, the second highest. The OECD average, by comparison, is just $3,233. (It is $3,873 in France.)
Here are some reasons why: Hospital spending is 60 percent higher than the average of five other relatively expensive countries (Switzerland, Canada, Germany, France and Japan); spending on pharmaceuticals and medical goods is much higher here than any of the other countries; and administrative costs are more than two-and-a-half times the average of the others.
It was not all bad news for us. We're number one in the five-year breast cancer survival rate and number two (behind Japan) in the five-year colorectal cancer survival rate. We're also number one in costly knee replacements and number two (again behind Japan) in the number of MRI units per million people.
But we rank 29th in the number of hospital beds per person and 29th in the average length of a stay in the hospital. And we have high rates of avoidable hospital admissions for people with asthma, lung disease, diabetes, hypertension and other common illnesses.
When it comes to access to physicians, we're also near the bottom of the pack. We rank 26th in the number of physicians, especially primary care or family doctors, per 1,000 people.
In terms of life expectancy, we rank 28th, just behind Chile. The average age of death in the U.S. is 78.2, well below the average of 79.5 years in the other OCED countries.
The OECD study backs up the results of a report released by the Commonwealth Fund in October, which showed that the U.S. is actually losing ground to other countries in assuring that its citizens have equal access to affordable, efficient care.
The Commonwealth Fund "scorecard" found that the U.S. is failing to keep up with gains in health outcomes made by other nations. We now rank last out of 16 countries in the Commonwealth Fund study when it comes to deaths that could have been prevented by timely and effective medical care.
A big reason for the dismal results is the fact that more and more Americans are falling into the ranks of the uninsured and underinsured. As of last year, according to the Commonwealth Fund, 81 million adults in the U.S. -- 44 percent of all adults under age 65 -- were either uninsured or underinsured at some point during the year, up from 61 million as recently as 2003.
http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpolici...thData2012.pdf
Every empire has fallen... no matter what the system of government. The current ones will fall too. They will keep changing until they go too far, the people revolt, and a new government is set up. Or they will choke themselves financially. Or they will be conquered by someone else.
What russia had was social, but it was also a nanny state with a big big brother with an iron fist. Its really a poor example.
Look at the world: List of countries by health insurance coverage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Socialism seems to be thriving in lots of places and the US is no where near being social in comparison.
Study:
The 34-nation Organization for Economic Cooperation (OECD) released the results of its most recent study of the health care systems in its member countries, including the U.S., plus six others, for a total of 40. And those results are illuminating.
The OECD report is just the most recent evidence that Americans are not getting nearly as much bang for the health care buck as citizens of most other developed countries -- and even some countries in the developing world.
The OECD found that the United States spends two-and-a-half times more on health care per person than the OECD average. The U.S. even spends more than twice as much as France, which many experts contend has one of the best health care systems on the planet.
The average expenditure per person in the U.S. is $7,960, a third more than in Norway, the second highest. The OECD average, by comparison, is just $3,233. (It is $3,873 in France.)
Here are some reasons why: Hospital spending is 60 percent higher than the average of five other relatively expensive countries (Switzerland, Canada, Germany, France and Japan); spending on pharmaceuticals and medical goods is much higher here than any of the other countries; and administrative costs are more than two-and-a-half times the average of the others.
It was not all bad news for us. We're number one in the five-year breast cancer survival rate and number two (behind Japan) in the five-year colorectal cancer survival rate. We're also number one in costly knee replacements and number two (again behind Japan) in the number of MRI units per million people.
But we rank 29th in the number of hospital beds per person and 29th in the average length of a stay in the hospital. And we have high rates of avoidable hospital admissions for people with asthma, lung disease, diabetes, hypertension and other common illnesses.
When it comes to access to physicians, we're also near the bottom of the pack. We rank 26th in the number of physicians, especially primary care or family doctors, per 1,000 people.
In terms of life expectancy, we rank 28th, just behind Chile. The average age of death in the U.S. is 78.2, well below the average of 79.5 years in the other OCED countries.
The OECD study backs up the results of a report released by the Commonwealth Fund in October, which showed that the U.S. is actually losing ground to other countries in assuring that its citizens have equal access to affordable, efficient care.
The Commonwealth Fund "scorecard" found that the U.S. is failing to keep up with gains in health outcomes made by other nations. We now rank last out of 16 countries in the Commonwealth Fund study when it comes to deaths that could have been prevented by timely and effective medical care.
A big reason for the dismal results is the fact that more and more Americans are falling into the ranks of the uninsured and underinsured. As of last year, according to the Commonwealth Fund, 81 million adults in the U.S. -- 44 percent of all adults under age 65 -- were either uninsured or underinsured at some point during the year, up from 61 million as recently as 2003.
http://www.oecd.org/els/healthpolici...thData2012.pdf
If you think healthcare in the US is expensive now, just wait a little while...
QUOTE: Under the Affordable Care Act, medical claim costs, the largest driver of health insurance premiums, are expected to increase by 32 percent for individuals, a new study by the Society of Actuaries finds.
Study: Obamacare to raise individual claim costs by 32 percent | The Daily Caller
QUOTE: California’s claim costs are estimated to increase by 62 percent by 2017. In Ohio, it’s expected to be 80 percent. Florida costs are expected to grow 20 percent and in Maryland, 67 percent.
Study: Obamacare to raise individual claim costs by 32 percent | The Daily Caller
QUOTE: Millions of Americans will be priced out of health insurance under President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul because of a glitch in the law that adversely affects people with modest incomes who cannot afford family coverage offered by their employers, a leading healthcare advocacy group said on Tuesday.
Millions to Be Priced Out of Obamacare
#82
03-27-2013, 02:47 PM
Super Moderator
Well, golly JimBob!
Well, golly JimBob!
Oh, I guess you could argue that the middle 5th's still had a nice 20-25% increase in income since 1979, but that is inflation adjusted based on the CPI, which is ridiculously low (laughable). Look at fuel costs vs 1979.... 4-500% higher? Even though housing is down, a house is still at least 100% higher than 1979. One could probably argue that the middle 5th has taken a pay cut in terms of inflation.
Fuel costs could be lower if they were to allow exploration in ANWAR and the eastern side of the Rockies where there are oil sands. Speculation alone can help prices come down. Not with what is and isn't being allowed now.
The big question to me is, are we doing better as individuals and as a nation since 4 years ago? I know we aren't. Much more is coming out of our paychecks than just last year.
On the whole banking bailout. Free enterprise and true capitalism would say let them fail. It would have been bad but I think it should have happened. When Clinton and Barney Frank got their collective minds together and said through the FDIC that private banks had to make loans to people who couldn't afford them just like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac did the banks started to write loans that people couldn't pay back. The government said, "We'll guarantee them." Hundreds of billions paid because banks were forced to write loans they shouldn't have written to begin with."
Government is more of the problem than the solution.
#83
03-27-2013, 02:59 PM
Supersock
Hired Gun!
"Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"
Hired Gun!
"Badges? We don't need no stinkin' badges!"
#84
03-27-2013, 04:11 PM
You are correct. I would STFU but I'm not bright enough.
Last edited by User492; 03-28-2013 at 08:51 AM.
#85
03-27-2013, 04:14 PM
#86
03-27-2013, 04:22 PM
Fuel costs could be lower if they were to allow exploration in ANWAR and the eastern side of the Rockies where there are oil sands. Speculation alone can help prices come down. Not with what is and isn't being allowed now.
The big question to me is, are we doing better as individuals and as a nation since 4 years ago? I know we aren't. Much more is coming out of our paychecks than just last year.
Over longer timeframes....In terms of buying manufactured goods, because of efficiencies in manufacturing and cheap overseas labor, we're acting doing pretty well. But in terms of things like fuel, food, commodities... we're not living so well.
On the whole banking bailout. Free enterprise and true capitalism would say let them fail. It would have been bad but I think it should have happened. When Clinton and Barney Frank got their collective minds together and said through the FDIC that private banks had to make loans to people who couldn't afford them just like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac did the banks started to write loans that people couldn't pay back. The government said, "We'll guarantee them." Hundreds of billions paid because banks were forced to write loans they shouldn't have written to begin with."
Government is more of the problem than the solution.
#87
03-27-2013, 04:38 PM
Polaris ATV Expert
Retired and loving it!
Retired and loving it!
#88
03-27-2013, 05:24 PM
Super Moderator
Well, golly JimBob!
Well, golly JimBob!
#89
03-27-2013, 06:51 PM
