Dirthead, I completely understand the scemario you point out. In fact after 9/11 my biggest fear was that we'd do nothing. Trust me, I personally know people who died in the towers. My uncle Tommy helped carry a guy with a heart condition down 37 floors in the South Tower. My wife's friend lost 2 brothers. Both brothers had 1 yr. old kids.

The problem I have with your scenaorio is that you can apply that to a lot of countries. I feel invading Pakistan or Saudi Arabia would have done a heck of a lot more to fight the war on terror. The simple disagreement I have with the whole Iraq policy is this.......9/11 was carried out by religios nuts. Saddam kept his religious nuys in check. He is such a *****, we probably could have given him some military aid and had him invade whoever we asked. Fact is, saddam would have done anything he could to stay in power and to attain more power. Hitting the US was not a priority of his, he was a local bully.

Now.....Pakistan, our ally, is run for the most aprt by peole who like the USA. But, the vast majority of their population loves Bin Laden and his cause. The locals in western Pakistan have been known to support, fund, hide, help and feed Al Queda members. For all we know Bin Laden is probably hiding there.Their intelligence community is notorious for funding Al Queda, this is not some link we'd have to search for years to prove, it's understood. They also were proven to have sold Nuclear technology to North Korea last year. Imagine if we had something 1/10th as good as that on saddam. We don't.

Next Saudi Arabia....The whole concept of Al Queda was born in Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden comes from there. The Wahabbis schools invented the whole radical idea of war against the west. To this day, Wahabbi clerics preach death to America day in, day out. This is the breeding ground for 9/11-like terrorists. For 20 years, Wahabbi schools have been sending their graduates out into the world to do the work of Al Queda. Ever notice 15 of the 19 hijackers were saudis? Nobody preaches anything in Saudi Arabia without the approval of the govt. They'd get their head chopped off if they did. If you could prove 1/10th of these links about Saddam, I'd have no problem invading Iraq. You can't, they are completely different animals. Bin Laden once called Saddam an infadel. Last year Bin Laden's son is reported to have married in Afghanistan. There was a scandal about Saudi govt. officials who were rumored to have attended the wedding. I bet Saddam wasn't invited.

Our enemy in the war on terror is an idea.......the idea of Radical Islam. By fighting Saddam we feed that Idea, we aid it. To Muslims, Americans invading Iraq, then finding no WMDs makes us look like the oppressors that Bin Laden calls us. We took a country that had this idea of Radical Islam stamped out, invaded it, and freed it to follow the radical clerics that Saddam had controlled. We also, feed the Idea of Al Queda every time we bomb a nieghborhood and kill civilians........


I'm all for fighting to protect ourselves. I just don't think we should be fighting it like a drunk guy, wearing a blindfold, swinging at anything in front of us.

 

Those guys are paranoid as it is. It is only a matter of time before they blow themselves up! [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif[/img] I think they will destroy themselves eventually.

 

Regarding Saudi Arabia, we should nuke Mecca....durring their celabrations! While they chant "death to America" they vaporize!

 

I never claimed that Saddam did not need taking care of. I have said I don't like the dishonesty in trying to tie Iraq to 9/11 in order to justify. Saddam needed dealing with, but removing him from power at that time was a bad idea. It takes a brutal man to control the Shira element from Iraq. That's why we put him in power in the first place.

Alienating the entire world, at a time when world opinion was overwhelmingly for the US is bad policy no matter how you look at it. he lied to go in to Iraq, and is trying to ride that war into another term. He is needlessly deviding our forces when we have a real enemy to hunt down. Can't find the ones responsible, go kill brown people somewhere else, the masses won't know the difference.

Sadly, he's right about that one.

 

We will kil all eneimies with time.
These countries are on a a first bomb first come basis.
You start off with Afganistan and Iraq and you get a pretty good foothold in the middle east.

Don't worry cheapass, we will attack Iran and North Korea soon enough, lol.....

 

First off, we don't need to mess with N. Korea. When the time comes, China will deal with them.

Second, Bush is not the only one that felt Sadam was a threat. Lets not forget that the UN had sanctioned Iraq, and in fact, past a resolution authorizing the USE OF FORCE. The difference between the World Community (The U.N.) and us, is the fact that we actually had the guts to follow through with the "Threats" that the UN had been passing down for Years.

The issue Never was about linking Sadam with the attack of 9/11. It was about him aiding terrorist groups financially as well as with potentially devastating weapons. There is also the trouble of Sadam venturing out of his own country and causing instability throughout the Middle East. If you think for one minute that Sadam wouldn't help out those that wish to harm us, then you have your eyes glued shut.

As far as these other countries, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, as long as they stay under the radar, and don't blatantly defy the world community, they will most likely remain undisturbed.

Every country has it's own radical factions, including the USA. Radicals are not reason alone for taking action against a government. Because of Sadam's hatred of the US and their allies in the region Israel, he posed a bigger threat to us as well as instability for the rest of the Middle East. The fact is, as time went on he became more defiant, while at the same time, rebuilding his military. We need to ask the reason, Why?

Iran is going to have to be dealt with. However, after recent events in Russia, I think that we will see more support from other world governments who are starting to realize the same thing that Bush did. We need to take the fight to those that wish to do us harm, instead of WAITING for them to take action against us.

9/11 changed us FOREVER. You might say, it took away our trust. The bad thing is, that as President of the US, you can't win. You do nothing, you get attacked, you take all the blame. You attack, people die, you take all the blame. Imagine if your day to day job had that kind of pressure. I don't always agree with everything that President Bush does, but I thank God that he has the strength to stand up for what he feels is best for this country, regardless of all the armchair quarterbacks that think they can do a better job, without knowing all of the facts or ever having felt the pressure of knowing that you have to send young Americans to fight and die. That is a part of the job and a burden that I personally could not deal with, and I don't think that President Bush made the decision by flipping a coin. Don't forget, that Congress also approved the use of force. The difference is they (Including Kerry) didn't have the stomach to stand behind their vote once they realized that it wasn't going to be over in a day. Who realistically ever thought it would?

To all of those that think President Bush just did this to get re-elected, or to get his approval rating up, you should be ashamed. You are making a mockery of all of those that have died doing what they felt was the right thing to do. If you think John Kerry will do a better job of protecting you and your loved ones, then by all means, Vote for him. But remember, that if you buy the whole "go to war to get re-elected", then you have to also buy into the "I wouldn't have gone to war to get re-elected", do nothing approach that Kerry is taking.

 

RPM I agree with most all except for North Korea.
We will attack North Korea one of these days.......

 

We will prolly stay out of north korea till one of their test missles hits japan or one of the west coast military compounds. as for all the rest. there is another civil war brewing in america. Those who belive in morals and religion and ethics? i guess all those go together. against the whacked out liberal left who believe every american but them should have to work in slavery to support the rest. Oh no worries they dont have guns. they have to throw rocks.

 

Yep us Republicans love our guns !

The assault rifle ban was ended the other day too which is great news !

Now not just the criminals will have the state of the art weapons, the citizen will
be able to arm himself and be even.
Now for the demorat with the BS reasoning that say that assault rifles are not needed for any hunting
purposes are full of crap.
Our right to bear arms is not for hunting purposes but to protect ourselves from a government
that gets out of hand and and to protect ourselves from anything else as we see fit !

 

<is very glad assualt rifles will be availabe to anyone one that wants one.........NOT!!..WTF are u thinking