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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 12:55 AM
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Dont think for a moment we will ever leave Iraq. Doesnt matter whos in charge, we only have two choices(dem and rep) and they are both on the same side. Its the big american myth that we have an opposition party.
We will be in Iraq long after all of us here are dead. We cant leave or the Indians or Chinese will grab the oil...we just happened to get there first, and thats the only reason we went. Well that, and the iraqis and now the iranians want the oil to be sold in Euros...not dollars. That would likewise destroy America.

Our entire way of life will die if we dont guard the oil...thats why were there, and thats why we cant leave. Doesnt matter if youre dem or rep, the leaders of the country know why were there, and thats why when we get a spunky new representative in office and they call for withdrawl, its just a matter of time, until cheny and crew read him the riot act, and the newbie fall inline....we are there for the long haul. Its just postureing, and actors playing a role, when we do the so called argument about leaving.
One thing is clear. The media needs to review the tapes of 911, The Stark, Our African embassies and the Khobar Towers in Saudi. You cant really reason with people who want you dead! Mr Pearl learn this the hard way. They ripped his head off. How soon the left forgets all this stuff. They have been at war with us since the 80's. Now we have to wake up. You would think 911 would have awakened the left. But I guess not. Oh well, When they blow up a mini mall or worse maybe then both parties will realize that this is for real and it is a Holy War. Call it like I see it. Crusades 21st century style.

I'm riding this weekend to get this out of my system...

We haven't left Germany or Japan. You see when you conquer a nation you tend to leave a mark. I don't think we need the Oil from that region. Soon we will get smart and realize that the corn we through away will someday be the oil of tomorrow. Least our Farmers get rich.

We really don't need the oil from that sand pit. Your getting the wrong info if you believe that noise. The next election may touch on this. If we want to stay with oil we have barrels of it in Alaska. Just need to tap it.

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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by: cave
Dont think for a moment we will ever leave Iraq. Doesnt matter whos in charge, we only have two choices(dem and rep) and they are both on the same side. Its the big american myth that we have an opposition party.
We will be in Iraq long after all of us here are dead. We cant leave or the Indians or Chinese will grab the oil...we just happened to get there first, and thats the only reason we went. Well that, and the iraqis and now the iranians want the oil to be sold in Euros...not dollars. That would likewise destroy America.

Our entire way of life will die if we dont guard the oil...thats why were there, and thats why we cant leave. Doesnt matter if youre dem or rep, the leaders of the country know why were there, and thats why when we get a spunky new representative in office and they call for withdrawl, its just a matter of time, until cheny and crew read him the riot act, and the newbie fall inline....we are there for the long haul. Its just postureing, and actors playing a role, when we do the so called argument about leaving.
One thing is clear. The media needs to review the tapes of 911, The Stark, Our African embassies and the Khobar Towers in Saudi. You cant really reason with people who want you dead! Mr Pearl learn this the hard way. They ripped his head off. How soon the left forgets all this stuff. They have been at war with us since the 80's. Now we have to wake up. You would think 911 would have awakened the left. But I guess not. Oh well, When they blow up a mini mall or worse maybe then both parties will realize that this is for real and it is a Holy War. Call it like I see it. Crusades 21st century style.

I'm riding this weekend to get this out of my system...

We haven't left Germany or Japan. You see when you conquer a nation you tend to leave a mark. I don't think we need the Oil from that region. Soon we will get smart and realize that the corn we through away will someday be the oil of tomorrow. Least our Farmers get rich.

We really don't need the oil from that sand pit. Your getting the wrong info if you believe that noise. The next election may touch on this. If we want to stay with oil we have barrels of it in Alaska. Just need to tap it.

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By the way anybody hear 'Doomsday Clock' close to striking 12

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The Doomsday Clock is a symbolic clockface maintained since 1947 by the Board of Directors of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists at the University of Chicago. It uses the analogy of the human race being at a time that is "minutes to midnight" where midnight represents destruction by nuclear war. The clock has appeared on the cover of each issue of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists since its introduction.

The number of minutes before midnight, a measure of the degree of nuclear threat, is updated periodically. The clock is currently set to five minutes to midnight, having been advanced by two minutes on January 17, 2007.
 
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 12:01 PM
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Dont think for a moment we will ever leave Iraq. Doesnt matter whos in charge, we only have two choices(dem and rep) and they are both on the same side. Its the big american myth that we have an opposition party.
We will be in Iraq long after all of us here are dead. We cant leave or the Indians or Chinese will grab the oil...we just happened to get there first, and thats the only reason we went. Well that, and the iraqis and now the iranians want the oil to be sold in Euros...not dollars. That would likewise destroy America.
Actually it isn't the oil, US ME presence is based on how countries sell that oil and in particular what currency is used to purchase it. Since 1971 oil is traded only in USD and we finance our debt selling US securities for countries to buy their oil in USD, better known as petrodollars. And you are correct, as a debtor nation if we can't force the world to take our debt to buy oil at the point of a gun, we collapse. Petrodollars, not oil is the reason for our aggressive ME presence.

We (US) only get 17% of our imported oil from the ME, Canada, Mexico and Venezuela being our primary crude oil suppliers.
 
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 12:18 PM
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We haven't left Germany or Japan. You see when you conquer a nation you tend to leave a mark. I don't think we need the Oil from that region. Soon we will get smart and realize that the corn we through away will someday be the oil of tomorrow. Least our Farmers get rich.
I suggest you research that subject before believing in a political fantasy. The US would have to be covered with corn to replace fossil fuel imports, at the expense of food production. And as of 2005, the US, a debtor nation, became a net importer of food.

We really don't need the oil from that sand pit. Your getting the wrong info if you believe that noise. The next election may touch on this. If we want to stay with oil we have barrels of it in Alaska. Just need to tap it.
All Alaskan reserves, producing and estimated undiscovered reserves, would supply US import requirements for about one year. When you're 5% of the world population consuming 25% of world oil production and 50% of all gasoline, Alaska's oil is literally a drop in the bucket.
 
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 03:38 PM
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If the media really is liberal....why did it miss this little gem in the news?


Iraqi PM: Bush, Rice Comments Comfort Terrorists
| Jan. 18, 2007, 6:45 am
Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri Maliki responded yesterday to criticism of him and his government by Pres. Bush and Sec. of State Condolezza Rice, saying that "their grim assessments were giving aid and comfort to terrorists:
I believe such statements give a morale boost to the terrorists and push them toward making an extra effort, making them believe they have defeated the American administration."
P.M. Maliki



Commenting on a recent statement by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, he said, Rice is expressing her own point of view if she thinks that the [Iraqi] government is on borrowed time, humorously suggesting that it might be the Bush administration that is on borrowed time.

"I understand and realize that inside the American administration there is some kind of a crisis situation, especially after the results of the last election", he said.

Maliki said suggestions by Bush officials that the U.S. did not fully support his government played into the hands of insurgents.

"I believe such statements give a morale boost to the terrorists and push them toward making an extra effort, making them believe they have defeated the American administration," Maliki said. "But I can tell you, they havent defeated the Iraqi government."

The question this raises is whether Maliki is being told to act defiant toward his puppet masters in order to create an illusion of independence, or whether the puppet is truly cutting his strings.
 
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Old Jan 18, 2007 | 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by: georged
We haven't left Germany or Japan. You see when you conquer a nation you tend to leave a mark. I don't think we need the Oil from that region. Soon we will get smart and realize that the corn we through away will someday be the oil of tomorrow. Least our Farmers get rich.
I suggest you research that subject before believing in a political fantasy. The US would have to be covered with corn to replace fossil fuel imports, at the expense of food production. And as of 2005, the US, a debtor nation, became a net importer of food.

We really don't need the oil from that sand pit. Your getting the wrong info if you believe that noise. The next election may touch on this. If we want to stay with oil we have barrels of it in Alaska. Just need to tap it.
All Alaskan reserves, producing and estimated undiscovered reserves, would supply US import requirements for about one year. When you're 5% of the world population consuming 25% of world oil production and 50% of all gasoline, Alaska's oil is literally a drop in the bucket.
I call BS. Yes we are 5% but we are special. That's the problem with the lefts way of thinking. Always negative. We cant this we cant that. You all have been saying the Alaskan oils where all drying up yet we are still pumping it to this day. Always negative.

I myself am a positive thinker. We can do it. We will win. We are the greatest nation the world has ever seen! Sorry the left feels so guilty for America being so great.

I'll say it again. Daniel Pearl wanted to do just like the left wants to do. Talk to the enemy. They, the Islamic terrorist CUT his Head OFF. I say let all the people on the left talk to them. Sooner or later they will either all be beheaded or see that there is no talking to those who hate us. They want to kill us all! But hey who am I to say we should win this war. Eventually they will be here and then you on the left will cry about that.

I hope we can come together on this point. We are at war whether the left believes it or not. Try to remember they started this in the late 70's. We just finally have a president who had the ***** to hit back. Don't get me wrong. I think Bush really jacked up in Iraq when he didn't totally destroy the Iraqi Army. But if we loose, they will do their best to bring it to our homes.

I wish you all tranquility today. Tomorrow you may have to fight here in the good ol USA because of what the left is about to do.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 10:36 AM
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I call BS. Yes we are 5% but we are special. That's the problem with the lefts way of thinking. Always negative. We cant this we cant that. You all have been saying the Alaskan oils where all drying up yet we are still pumping it to this day. Always negative.

I myself am a positive thinker. We can do it. We will win. We are the greatest nation the world has ever seen! Sorry the left feels so guilty for America being so great.
No one, myself included, says Alaskan oil is drying up. There just isn't anything there that's even close to replacing the 60% of oil consumption we import. Negative and positive, glass half full, etc., etc. don't mean anything when discussing reality.

Who is this left you keep referring to? Anyone who disagrees with your uninformed opinions?



 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by: cave
Originally posted by: georged
We haven't left Germany or Japan. You see when you conquer a nation you tend to leave a mark. I don't think we need the Oil from that region. Soon we will get smart and realize that the corn we through away will someday be the oil of tomorrow. Least our Farmers get rich.
I suggest you research that subject before believing in a political fantasy. The US would have to be covered with corn to replace fossil fuel imports, at the expense of food production. And as of 2005, the US, a debtor nation, became a net importer of food.

We really don't need the oil from that sand pit. Your getting the wrong info if you believe that noise. The next election may touch on this. If we want to stay with oil we have barrels of it in Alaska. Just need to tap it.
All Alaskan reserves, producing and estimated undiscovered reserves, would supply US import requirements for about one year. When you're 5% of the world population consuming 25% of world oil production and 50% of all gasoline, Alaska's oil is literally a drop in the bucket.
I call BS. Yes we are 5% but we are special. That's the problem with the lefts way of thinking. Always negative. We cant this we cant that. You all have been saying the Alaskan oils where all drying up yet we are still pumping it to this day. Always negative.

I myself am a positive thinker. We can do it. We will win. We are the greatest nation the world has ever seen! Sorry the left feels so guilty for America being so great.

I'll say it again. Daniel Pearl wanted to do just like the left wants to do. Talk to the enemy. They, the Islamic terrorist CUT his Head OFF. I say let all the people on the left talk to them. Sooner or later they will either all be beheaded or see that there is no talking to those who hate us. They want to kill us all! But hey who am I to say we should win this war. Eventually they will be here and then you on the left will cry about that.

I hope we can come together on this point. We are at war whether the left believes it or not. Try to remember they started this in the late 70's. We just finally have a president who had the ***** to hit back. Don't get me wrong. I think Bush really jacked up in Iraq when he didn't totally destroy the Iraqi Army. But if we loose, they will do their best to bring it to our homes.

I wish you all tranquility today. Tomorrow you may have to fight here in the good ol USA because of what the left is about to do.
Youre buying into the propaganda, and message of hate which out leaders are forwarding. They want the right and left to hate each other so we dont focus on what they are doing.Your enemy isnt the left. We are purposely being divided by the politians in washington, to divert attension away from their illeagl activities. We need to move beyond the simplistic ideas of right vs left, and become Americans, and act accordingly. ..Daniel pearl wasnt beheaded because he wanted to talk, and it isnt the left which is engaging in illegal activities.

Dont buy into the ends justify the means. We need to be a nations of laws, and protect the constitution. If we allow this administration to trash the constitution, then when hilery gets into office she can shred the second amendment...because we set the legal precident of not challenging the "unitary executive" style of government. If bush can toss laws he doesnt like, so can she. What is right is right...no administration needs to spy on its citizens, torcure innocent people, kill inocent people, imprison people with out access to the courts, and start wars of aggression based on lies, for the benifit of corporations. That is why they hate us. If we stop being war mongers, the so called terrorists wont have a need to come here.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2007 | 08:37 PM
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To clarify, I'm a democrat that's a moderate. Fiscally I'm conservative. My opinions are just that. I don't think your wrong for what you say. Its when I read that I'm living in fantasy land. I worked in an industry that had an alternative where petroleum is just a tiny percentage of the puzzle but funding was stopped even though we made a working functional delivery system an proved that it worked. So my reality is based on fact that I have seen and touched.

If you think that we are losing rights then that's your opinion. If a known drug dealer is call your house and you answer the phone every time he calls then you are part of the act. I cant see your logic. If a terrorist calls my house and I accept the call and I know he is a wanted man yet fail to do my duty and call the proper authorities then I am an accessory to the call.. In every world war we have had to lesson our rites while we were at war. What you seam to ignore is the fact that we are at war. ands its a global war. To which the media leans toward the terrorist side more times than not. Imagine if CNN was at Normandy on D day. We lost thousands of brave soldiers in a few days. CNN would have reported it as a lose of life so unimaginable that we have to pull out of that war. If CNN was at Iwo Jima or any other Japanese Island during WWII they surly would have shown all the dead corpses and claimed that this war was just unwinnable because of the fanaticism that we were facing.

Don't take it personal bro. We all are American and can reason this whole thing out. Have a nice ride bro's
 
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Old Jan 20, 2007 | 12:11 AM
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If you think that we are losing rights then that's your opinion.

You might want to check your 'facts'. Congress has never declaired this is a war, and they are the only ones who can.
This is an optional war, we lied, the world knew it, and we killed inocent people for a lie. The laws , as written , state we as citizens can not be spied upon, with out a court ordered warrent. What part dont you understand? What is being done is illegal, and you dont want anyone held accountable?
We are losing our rights, and its a provable fact...not an opinion.

In his testimony before Congress, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales indicated that government spying on U.S. citizens may not be limited to the already-exposed illegal NSA wiretapping. Congress must assert its constitutional oversight authority and demand that the administration come clean about the extent of its activities.
During his April 6 testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, Attorney General Gonzales was asked if the government has the authority to spy on purely domestic telephone calls between American citizens without obtaining a warrant?"something the Fourth Amendment clearly prohibits. "I'm not going to rule it out," he said, leaving open the possibility that such spying is already taking place and asserting that the Bush administration has the authority to throw the Bill of Rights out the window if it acts in the name of security.

The warrantless wiretaps that are being conducted by the Bush administration are patently illegal and in direct conflict with core principles enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Breaking the law does not make Americans safer.

These liberties are not abstract. Freedom from government spying on our private lives is at the core of what it means to be American the kind of personal liberty that hundreds of thousands of Americans have died to protect. Americans should never have to fear that their own government is out of control.

Law enforcement can already get surveillance authority quickly, secretly, and legally. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court already exists to give secret warrants in cases involving national security. Where time is a factor, the government can legally start surveillance for up to three days before getting the warrant.

Illegal surveillance can only serve to undermine public confidence in government. If the President is willing to break one law, how can we trust him to respect any law? If Congress and the courts dont, or cant, step in to stop this illegal behavior, how can we trust them to stop any illegal behavior? Letting the President declare himself above the law is a terrible and dangerous precedent that concerns legal scholars, judges, and members of Congress from both parties.
"Trust me," is not an excuse. The founders never intended us to rely on blind faith that the President wouldnt abuse his power. Thats why they created a system of checks and balances to make sure each branch would keep an eye on the others. Thats the kind of government the Constitution creates.

Any outdated laws should be changed, not broken. Congressional leaders of both parties have made clear that they are willing to update laws to give the President the power he needs, subject to constitutional safeguards and oversight. If the President thinks the law is out of date, he should ask Congress to change it. Instead, he broke it.
 
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